Support walker sign?

[VPT]

Guy, you have any interest in making Support Walk signs? I would like one! I would also like a sign with "City buses" and a big red circle and slash over it. Yeah I'm in a complaining mood lately.

[devlish]

yesterday i got asked if i made the "recall walker" signs... i said "not me, i like the guy!" and my customer said "good, then i can continue doing business with you"

[EVILUTION]

^ Tricky!

[Greg86z28]

Glad to see there is some sanity left in Wisconsin.

The shit that has been pulled over the past 6 months is a joke. And no one holds them accountable. Protest in front of the Special Olympics, constant stalking, harassing, and threatening lawmakers, protesting Walker's wife and kids, but hey "nothing to see here" says the media. What happened PrezBos "we need to tone down the rhetoric"?

If you don't like Walker, vote in the next election. He was elected by a majority. It's called democracy. You can go mobbing around because you don't like the political process we have in this country.

[abot316]

I love the fact Obama says all he rich need to pay their fair share. Ok fine then why is it that when his main voter base is asked to pay only half on average med and pension compared to private workers instead of nothing, the sky falls? I had a friend call Walker a commie on Facebook. I've noticed others say the same shit. Funny they have public educations and the former USSR flag had a hammer and sickle on it. Why because the communist government was the workers union party.........

[devlish]

who is paying for all the recall stuff going on?? isn't that adding to the debt? dumb-f*cks. everyone that wants to recall him should be pitching in the $$ out of their own pockets for the gov to go through all this. i'm sure if their protest group got a bill for all the hours it will take congress to go through this situation, they'd change their minds.

[Colin255]

Meh, you'd all be pretty bent too if you had something you spent decades fighting for get swiped out from under you with a stroke of a pen.

Public sector unions are needed because the state is the only employer. Taking the "If you don't like it, go work somewhere else" attitude means teachers and policemen leave Wisconsin for better opportunities - if they can.

BTW, the reason why 50% of Americans don't pay taxes is because they support families on less than $28K a year. Be very thankful you've made choices that let you afford to play with cars.

Rant over, politics is lame, racing is better.

[abot316]

Meh, you'd all be pretty bent too if you had something you spent decades fighting for get swiped out from under you with a stroke of a pen.

I'm sure you could defend the Mafia or the same way. The fact of the matter is no one says I want my kids stupid or crime to go up. If you look how much is spent on education per capita compared to other countries and quality they churn out, well you do the math. To be honest if this didn't happen, class size would get bigger and teachers would get laid off. That fact proves its not soo much about children then their pocket books. After working in a union shop, I've seen the greed at the top and the lack for respect for the ones at the bottom. Those who are viewed more like pawns then brothers or sisters.

For years people have not talked serious about politics and let the fox control the hen house. I do believe racing is better, BUT hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil on the idea of politics is bull. This is how our liberties are stolen.

[Greg86z28]

Meh, you'd all be pretty bent too if you had something you spent decades fighting for get swiped out from under you with a stroke of a pen.

Public sector unions are needed because the state is the only employer. Taking the "If you don't like it, go work somewhere else" attitude means teachers and policemen leave Wisconsin for better opportunities - if they can.

People have to pay more for their healthcare and pension; cry me a river. If you don't like it, leave. Public sector unions have a stranglehold on the taxpayer, it goes against capitalism. They force through any contract they want and we are forced to foot the bill. Private sector unions: fine. I'll choose not to buy the product if I don't like the cost or product.

Decades fighting for what? Wow, class sizes have increased slightly, big deal. People are acting like Wisconsin is in the early 20's with no workplace regulation. Talk about blown out of proportion.

Mob rule is not the appropriate way to disagree with someone. You don't like the way the state is heading, vote next time. The state is being torn apart by this constant recall process, it's a never ending battle now.

[Dizmm]

Did any of you get a copy of Northcentral Wisconsin's Business News? Check out the Highest Average Teacher Salary section?

[Greg86z28]

Did any of you get a copy of Northcentral Wisconsin's Business News? Check out the Highest Average Teacher Salary section?

Post it up man!

[abot316]

Post it up man!
x2. Not to mention they can bank their sick days til the time they retire. This intern gets them the opportunity to max out retirement wages, basically be over proportioned to how much they earned.

[Dizmm]

The top few:

School........ Avg.........High........Low.........Fringe
Marshfield.....$62710.....$89776....$34521.....$26 509
St Point........$61817.....$79934...$32409......$2902 3
DC Everest....$61522.....$79934...$32409......$30071
Wi Rapids......$60490.....$73264....$27302.....$26774
Wausau........$60288.....$81741....$35210.....$273 89

......In last place:
Antigo..........$49819....$78423......$32099.....$ 27443

[Dizmm]

Next page is highest paid Public school administrators. The lowest salary on the list is $109,900.

[EVILUTION]

You know.... I'm not even that concerned about what people with jobs are making. What I think we need to focus on are the hand outs that we provide people for making mistakes.

From the unemployment system to WIC the system has too many loop holes. Even disability is all fucked up. There are plenty of ways to cut spending without hurting those that are already paying in.

I really don't think $60k is all that out of whack for a teacher. I suspect that most people that have a 4 year degree are making that.

[Dizmm]

I really dont think the average 4 year degree living in central wisconsin is making $60k. Maybe I'm wrong....

I do agree, the system is very abused.

[Colin255]

I ain't sayin' its right, but I understand.

If I had to deal with your rotten kids for 3/4ths of the year I'd want some serious bank in return. If it weren't illegal for public workers to strike I don't think it would have ever gotten to this level. Both sides can be unreasonable and stalemate all they want when there's no threat of losing pay or productivity.

Too bad, there's plenty of good scab labor waiting to be tapped these days.

[abot316]

I really dont think the average 4 year degree living in central wisconsin is making $60k. Maybe I'm wrong....

I do agree, the system is very abused.

Same here, But remember people, its not all pay as much as the benefits which I've read when the state pays all it is upwards of 30k a year hence the reform and 6%/12% employee payment now.

[05Saab]

My mom is a teacher (math at Pacelli) and it is no walk in the park job. She spends about 10 hours per day at school, then has work to do at home still. Sure she gets 3 months off, but during that time, she has to plan for next year. And at Pacelli she gets paid about 1/2 of that. And no, she can't just rack up sick days forever, and a portion of her pay goes towards any subs that need to be called in if she is sick. Teachers salaries (most of them) are paid pretty well or in some cases underpayed.

[EVILUTION]

Like I said .... $60k for a good teacher is a good deal. Then again I question why we pay administrators $100k. Maybe they can demand that salary due to their level of education.

My roommate in college worked for the mill. He loved the union because he didn't do much and got paid very well. Talk to any mill worker and they will tell you that you could get rid of half the people that work there and it wouldn't impact production. It's to the point where you could consider it fraud, waste and abuse.

People need to understand that the global economy is threatening their jobs unless they stay current and continue to be productive. We are all going to feel some pain I just wish more people would carry their own weight rather than relying on the rest of us to do it.

[Greg86z28]

The problem I have with teachers is it's not performance based pay. MAJOR issue. Pay teachers a lot, but pay the GOOD ones a lot, not just some fat bitch who has been doing it for 40 years. It's a fucked up system, no other way to describe it.

[Scrad]

My wife is a Kindergarten teacher with a Masters Degree and I can tell you she doesn't see 60k. The average teacher probably makes 35k at best. You guys just see the average at 60K, but that includes Administrative and Management people so it throws it way off balance for the normal teacher. They really don't make a whole lot for the education they paid for and what they really do. Class sizes really do matter. I just can't wait to see how stupid some of your kids are in the distant future. Haha.

I'm also a Government Employee as a prison guard and in the local Union all though sometimes I wish I wasn't. But it is kind of needed because of the legal problems we can get from work.

I can tell you that what you guys think about the benefits public employee's get is not as gravy as you think it it.

My view is that people that choose to be in the private sector think they are getting screwed on their benefits and retirement compared to the public sector. The private sector pisses and moans that it's not fair. Well boo fucking whoo. You choose the private sector you had the same opportunities as any of the other public sector people you just chose a different route.

The current generation of Americans think they are entitled to something. That is why America is so fucked up. No one wants to work and expects others to foot the bill. I see it every day at work. If the country wasn't so Politically Correct things would be fine. You wouldn't believe how much you pay as tax payers to house illegal aliens that get busted for re-entry. Stop all the hand outs and fuck the other countries around the world. Start at home.

Like I said I see things a lot differently than most of the people that are posting, because it directly effects me and my family. You all would be pissed off if it directly effected you too.

Won't really matter soon anyways. The American economy will be on the barter system, because our currency won't be worth shit. Or you will be working for an IOU note from the Government like during the Depression.

[Greg86z28]

Class sizes really do matter. I just can't wait to see how stupid some of your kids are in the distant future. Haha.

The largest factor to declining school results is the fact that children today aren't raised as well is they were 50 years ago. Lowering class sizes and throwing more money at school isn't going to fix the problem. I'm happy to see schools realize that they have to work within a budget with limits, that it can't just grow with no consequences. Get creative and quit just spending money to make sure you use your whole budget so you can ask for more. Wauwatosa West High School has iPads for every student (my girlfriend's younger sister attends there). I'll let you know that a teacher there fought hard to insure that the students could access games on these, as they were initially going to be received without the ability to access the games. That's real necessity. Here's what you need: a math book and a science book.

I went to Pacelli who turns out great graduating classes at a cost per pupil that's probably near half of what a public school is.

My view is that people that choose to be in the private sector think they are getting screwed on their benefits and retirement compared to the public sector. The private sector pisses and moans that it's not fair. Well boo fucking whoo. You choose the private sector you had the same opportunities as any of the other public sector people you just chose a different route.

No, the private sector has benefits that are in line with the status of the economy, the public sector does not.

You can't have deals being made with the same politicians you are donating money to. Why do you think so much money flooded into Wisconsin? The union's bloodline for money and political donations are in jeopardy. Workers rights? Yeah right. There are plenty of workers rights out there, you don't NEED a union, this isn't 1910.

It's a major issue, and it's not just the left. Both sides of the isle need to stay out of business. The only thing the government does well is pick losers. It's a major issue when companies and unions donate to receive political allies. It's unavoidable though I guess.

[Greg86z28]

You wouldn't believe how much you pay as tax payers to house illegal aliens that get busted for re-entry. Stop all the hand outs and fuck the other countries around the world. Start at home.

Absolutely. It's irritating that when these people come here illegally, and then are hurt, we have to tend to their needs. FUCK them. Send them home injuries and all.

People wouldn't keep coming here if we didn't screw our own citizens in the ass to help the one's who shouldn't be here.

It's unbelievable. They were trying to get the Milwaukee voting ballots to have a Spanish section. How can you vote if you don't speak English? Learn the damn language. Lowe's, Home Depot: Kiss my ass with your Spanish signs. Go Frank's Hardware.

If you come here:
Do it legally and be a producer
Learn English

It's not that hard.

[05Saab]

I personally think this country spends too much money keeping people out. Idk what a better idea or plan would be, but it seems like we should be able to care less about foreigners entering. Although since 9/11, people would never let it happen

[devlish]

This says it all!!!



If you come here:
Do it legally and be a producer
Learn English

It's not that hard.

LOVE IT!!!!

[Scrad]

No, the private sector has benefits that are in line with the status of the economy, the public sector does not.

You can't have deals being made with the same politicians you are donating money to. Why do you think so much money flooded into Wisconsin? The union's bloodline for money and political donations are in jeopardy. Workers rights? Yeah right. There are plenty of workers rights out there, you don't NEED a union, this isn't 1910.

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I think you misunderstand what I was trying to say about private sector benefits. Yes, the retirement/benefits are different between private and public. What I'm saying is you, (not you in particular. I don't know your situation) had the same opportunity to apply for a government job as I did. However, you chose to work the private sector with private sector benefits. Your chose so you deal with it. When the economy is great your benefits are better and vise versa. The economy is shit now.

I look at it as an incentive to have a government benefits/retirement. I chose that career route. You are not entitled to it, because you didn't try to obtain it. Problem with society is that everyone thinks they are entitled to what other have with out earning it.

I do agree with your first sentence fully. "The largest factor to declining school results is the fact that children today aren't raised as well is they were 50 years ago." We have become nutless pussies. Not everyone can be winners. Everyone gets there butt hurt too easily in todas society.

As far as your Union statement. Do we need Unions today. Yes and No. We have the rights we do in the workforce because of Unions. Which are now Law's. So could we do away with Unions in that sense, Yes. But Management types will find ways to fuck you no matter what.

Unions do benefit everyone. Have Unions become too strong. Yes I agree with that fully. Are they politically motivated, Hell yes. But then again what isn't.

Like I said I'm in my local Union, but I'm not a Union advocate per say. I've been pissed off with them so much I asked to get out. I work with a lot of shit bags that are in the Union for protection. Otherwise they wouldn't have jobs. There are goods and bads with Unions.

Life isn't fair. Deal with it.

[Dizmm]

Like I said .... $60k for a good teacher is a good deal. Then again I question why we pay administrators $100k. Maybe they can demand that salary due to their level of education.

Add in those fringe benefits.....

[Colin255]

Then again I question why we pay administrators $100k.

People who are in charge of daily operations, future planning, and assume responsibility for the actions of 50+ employees generally make six figures in the private sector too.

[Greg86z28]

I think you misunderstand what I was trying to say about private sector benefits. Yes, the retirement/benefits are different between private and public. What I'm saying is you, (not you in particular. I don't know your situation) had the same opportunity to apply for a government job as I did. However, you chose to work the private sector with private sector benefits. Your chose so you deal with it. When the economy is great your benefits are better and vise versa. The economy is shit now.

I look at it as an incentive to have a government benefits/retirement. I chose that career route. You are not entitled to it, because you didn't try to obtain it. Problem with society is that everyone thinks they are entitled to what other have with out earning it.

Great discussion Scard.

I agree with you, definitely on the benefits. You picked a career with good benefits, fair enough. But, the private sector funds your jobs and benefits. When the private sector suffers because of the economy, you will eventually be subject to that as well, as you should be.

It's the way capitalism works. No one should be protected by the government (even though many are). You are providing a product/service at a superior cost. It can't work like that. Without the government you'd be out of business because someone would offer the same service or product at a lower cost. The public sector is trying to hide from capitalism.

I don't think this is a fairness issue, it's a reality check.

[Greg86z28]

I personally think this country spends too much money keeping people out. Idk what a better idea or plan would be, but it seems like we should be able to care less about foreigners entering. Although since 9/11, people would never let it happen

Is your mom Vera Hannig?

I had Pre-Calc with her. She was one of the nicest teachers I had.

[Greg86z28]

I personally think this country spends too much money keeping people out. Idk what a better idea or plan would be, but it seems like we should be able to care less about foreigners entering. Although since 9/11, people would never let it happen

I agree. I think immigrants are great, it is what our country is built on. Many great producers have come here and benefited themselves and many communities by providing great services and products.

However, many people come here, don't pay taxes, don't produce and mooch off the system. It makes a lot of sense. You can sit, drink and do nothing in Mexico and the starve to death OR you can sit, drink and do nothing in America and have your neighbor pay for you beer, lobster dinners and car, while you are provided an education.

You want the NON producers to stop coming here, kill all the entitlements.

[05Saab]

^Yeah I understand that, hence why i said "Idk a better plan or idea"

And no, that isn't my mom. She started teaching there in 2007

[Greg86z28]

^Yeah I understand that, hence why i said "Idk a better plan or idea"

And no, that isn't my mom. She started teaching there in 2007

Ah, that's after my time.

[EVILUTION]

I like what Greg has to say! Greg, what are you doing these days?

[Greg86z28]

I like what Greg has to say! Greg, what are you doing these days?

But it's the truth. Some think I'm a right wing nut job, but that's not it. The "conservatives" (who aren't really conservative anyways) are just as shacked up with business as the left is.

Government should stay out of the way. People are driven by the incentive to have things: houses, cars, bitches. Your occupy wall street folks call that "greed". I say that all the things they enjoy in life were created by "greed".

Desires for luxury are the things that cause people to work hard and bring home cash. Right now, you have a bunch of people living sub-standard lives for free, on the backs of others. They have no incentive to do anything but that.

If you want a sub-standard life, fine, but you should have to work to have that. People think that by giving someone a sub-standard life, they will excel to bigger and better things. I say that's a really small percentage of people.

People in America piss me off so much these days. It's a bunch of whining babies. Guess what, if you don't like it, fucking leave. People have given their lives for our great country and all you can do is bitch about it.

No one is forcing you to be here. Just don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

What the hell has happened to the pride in our country? I'm sick of seeing our country bend over backwards for the whiners.

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/revolutionary-war/political/modern-american-flag.jpg

[TomKat]

+ 1 for Greg.

I think you guys will enjoy this:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/OAOrT0OcHh0?version=3&rel=1&fs=1&showsearch=0&showi

[Dizmm]

What the hell has happened to the pride in our country?

Hard to have pride in something that has so many problems.

I am also one for getting rid of the leaches.

[devlish]

Hard to have pride in something that has so many problems.

I am also one for getting rid of the leaches.



the problems you speak of are largely due to these leaches we want to get rid of. i think if we could get rid of these leaches, and their general way of thinking, a lot of those problems will go away too. unfortunately, that's not going to happen. becuase the gov feels like handing everything out as "incentive" but in reality, like greg said, a very small percentage use it as incentive, most just continue to leach off the system

[VPT]

So you making signs?

[abot316]

+ 1 for greg.

I think you guys will enjoy this:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/oaort0ochh0?version=3&rel=1&fs=1&showsearch=0&showi

fvck yeah!!!

[supradjza80]

If I had to deal with your rotten kids for 3/4ths of the year I'd want some serious bank in return. If it weren't illegal for public workers to strike I don't think it would have ever gotten to this level. Both sides can be unreasonable and stalemate all they want when there's no threat of losing pay or productivity.

Colin I know your opinion on this, which I disagree with but I found this particularly funny. I would need serious bank to go be a garbage man, but that doesn't mean the job is going to pay serious bank...See what I did there?

[supradjza80]

I am also one for getting rid of the leaches.

+10. I have found especially with people in my age group that I know a lot more people then I should on the path to be lifelong leaches and have no problem with it, in fact they still complain about how life isn't fair, while sitting in their house, getting drunk, getting DUI's, not working or doing a single thing productive...Its terrible.

[supradjza80]

Can anybody verify these results? I found this on another board I frequent and I haven't looked into it but if it is infact true, I would say all these teachers unions have not made any progress in the last 40 years...

http://www.redstatereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/public-schools-cost-vs-test-scores.jpg

[VPT]

Colin I know your opinion on this, which I disagree with but I found this particularly funny. I would need serious bank to go be a garbage man, but that doesn't mean the job is going to pay serious bank...See what I did there?



Colin must not watch dirty jobs.

It pisses me off how greedy all these Walker haters are. They care about no one but themselves, what is best for them and thats it, fuck everyone else.

[DontStopMe]

Can anybody verify these results? I found this on another board I frequent and I haven't looked into it but if it is infact true, I would say all these teachers unions have not made any progress in the last 40 years...

http://www.redstatereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/public-schools-cost-vs-test-scores.jpg


That my friend is just a very misleading graph. Test score have a cap and inflation is well known.

I believe most teachers are just as good now as they were then. Most crappy scores and lazy kids are a result of crappy parents.

[Dizmm]

crappy parents.

This is the root of the problem.

[devlish]

^ agreed

[supradjza80]

That my friend is just a very misleading graph. Test score have a cap and inflation is well known.

I believe most teachers are just as good now as they were then. Most crappy scores and lazy kids are a result of crappy parents.

Ok on test scores, but unless we were perfect in the 70's we still are not there yet. It says it is inflation adjusted, which still begs the question why spend so much without any positive results? btw this graph was not posted to poinout that teachers are worse or anything like that. It has to do with the cost per student and the lack of measurable improvement, therefore money wasted.

I agree on the parents.

I think it would be great if there was not a teachers union but instead a very fair merit based pay scale. Give teachers more motivation to be the best.

[camaro_guy]

Why does "The Situation" on Jersey Shore get paid more then Obama?

[VPT]

Who watches jersey shore?

[Greg86z28]

Why does "The Situation" on Jersey Shore get paid more then Obama?

'Free' market

[Colin255]

Dave,

Municipal garbage men do make some pretty serious bank where services haven't been taken over by private contractors. Considering that my actions often make their job more difficult, I'm OK with this.

I guess that makes me a commie.

So, you interested in going down to Occupy Appleton to pick up hippie chicks with me once that crap starts up after football's over?

[VPT]

Whinny state workers set up a recall walker paper signing thingy across the street from me today. Sure would be nice to have a support walker sign in the yard today!

[devlish]

damm man, sorry. i can make a rush order happen for you this morning... but you gotta call me first, then come pick it up! ha (actually, need to talk to you about some work on our car here as well....)

[devlish]

dang. looks like the majority are in support of this crap.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/new-poll-shows-majority-support-walker-recall/article_3d9ba00e-0ff4-11e1-ab66-001cc4c03286.html

i love this quote from the article!!!!

Republicans who support recalling Walker are younger, have a lower income and are less educated than the rest of the sample in the poll

[VPT]

I don't understand why people are so hung up on republican or democrat? It is all about the person themselves not what party they belong to...

[devlish]

Did u look outside yet?

[Colin255]

I don't understand why people are so hung up on republican or democrat? It is all about the person themselves not what party they belong to...

Well said.

[Greg86z28]

It will be interesting if they get the signatures. I'm honestly confused on how they don't have the 540,xxx yet. Right now, people are already set on whether they want to recall Walker or not. This has been going on since February, people have already made up their minds.

You either are going to sign it or not, and if you are going to, you already did. Why would anyone wait? So how do they not have 540,xxx signatures yet? This isn't 1920 where transportation is hard to come by.

I'm beginning to reconsider my original belief that they would easily get 540,xxx signatures and lose the election badly. Now it seems like they may not even get the signatures. Honestly, I can't blame them though. Why sign when you have no candidate?

Really, is it just me who this seems insane to? They basically are going to waste a million dollars to have an election just to lose. They have no candidate, and they have no platform. This isn't the 1st grade, you can't win an election without those two items.

I think it should be that you need a candidate, they do some campaigning with that candidate on what they will do if they replace Walker, then you need to get 35% of the vote in signatures to trigger an election between the two candidates. That would imply that when you submit your papers to trigger the 60-day signature gathering for the recall, you must have the candidate on there that you will run against him in which you cannot switch barring death/inability to preform duties.

[devlish]

what i find interesting is that you need 51% of the voting population to WIN the election, yet they only need approx 12% to recall him? what am i missing here? perhaps one of you can explain that too me, as i really am confused about it.

this is going to trigger some issues in the future whenever a party isn't happy with what the elected official is doing. we'll just recall everyone.

[Greg86z28]

what i find interesting is that you need 51% of the voting population to WIN the election, yet they only need approx 12% to recall him? what am i missing here? perhaps one of you can explain that too me, as i really am confused about it.

The ability recall an elected official was introduced in the 20's. I believe that getting written signatures from 25% of the voting body in the previous election was appropriate at that time. They had no where near that same amount of media coverage and transportation ability that we have today.

That being said, I really think they need to update the grounds/requirements to succeed in a recall. Achieving 25% from the previous election in signatures is easy in today's world.

I really think they shot themselves in the foot with the senate recalls and the tactics used since February. Things like that fly in the People's Republic of Madison, but not on a statewide scale. I believe the recall movement is losing its steam. The protesting at Walker's house, the protesting in front of the Special Olympics, beer pouring on legislator's heads, bike locking yourself to the stairs at the state capitol, the constant harassment of anyone who doesn't have a far left point of view, I think people on a whole are sick of it. It's nuts.

When you sign that petition, you are supporting that movement and those losers, plain and simple.

[VPT]

I have a sign in my yard!

[DirtyBird]

i have a sign in my yard!
sweet!

[devlish]

your welcome.
a few of my customers stole them (with permission) from my office... had to make more! ha.

[Greg86z28]

Ah, some more from the fucking losers out there. Of course, no one on the left is going to denounce this.

http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/134902883.html

That's right. Whip up the Nazi salute at the Christmas tree lighting ceremony, which is dedicated in part, to our veterans. Down with Walker right!? Who cares if we disrespect the people who gave their lives to allow us, the scumbags, to protest!

I wonder how the WWII veterans there felt?

What a bunch of losers. God it pisses me off. Go get a fucking job. You know why your life sucks? It's not governor Walker. It's you. It's because you have nothing to offer society.

I hope Walker crushes this stupid ass "anything goes, no consequences for what we do" movement. I don't even understand how someone could vote for Walker's opposition or sign a recall petition knowing that this is the movement you are supporting/rewarding.

These are the stories that need to get out there. The media would never report something like this, just remember, it's the peaceful, loving, protests. And the peaceful, loving, recall movement.

[2fst-gsx]

I think there are some gray area's in the performance pay talk. My wife is a 2nd grade teacher in a low income school. She really is a great teacher. The problem is 1.)the parents, as many have said here already, and 2.) the system. The system will push the kids through no matter what, granted they provide assistance and help, but some kids just don't learn like the system wants them to. And parents are a huge part in how a child progresses. A teacher can only do so much in 8 hours, and on top of that maybe 1 hr per subject and on top of that 20 kids that learn at different rate/ways.

So for example, my wife, although a great teacher, has a high percentage of Hmong - the parents speak little to no english and the kids aren't much better, ad to that parents that don't care how the kids do in school, and ad to that a behavior disorder or learning disability.

So for 20 kids, 40% are like the above, 30% are your average kid/family and 30% are above normal. Now across the city a teacher that is in a prestigous school that is about to retire and could give 2 shit's less about how the kids do, and is using lesson plans from 20yrs ago. And 75% of the students score above average.

Not sure I agree with the performance based stuff :yikes:

Now if teachers get paid on performance, shouldn't all government workers. The guy at the dmv that makes you go back and fill out 4 more forms and wait in line another hour just to be a dick, let's dock his pay and give him something to work for!

On another note, what do politicians have to work for, and more what do they have to lose? If they don't do there job do they get a cut in pay, will they lose some benefits/pensions? Once your in, it's smooth sailing the way I understand. Lets fire all politicians, bring in some new guys and give them some motivation. If they can't keep the budget above a 3% deficit (lets just say), get them out and a new guy in. After all this is a business per say :)

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[Greg86z28]

I think there are some gray area's in the performance pay talk. My wife is a 2nd grade teacher in a low income school. She really is a great teacher. The problem is 1.)the parents, as many have said here already, and 2.) the system. The system will push the kids through no matter what, granted they provide assistance and help, but some kids just don't learn like the system wants them to. And parents are a huge part in how a child progresses. A teacher can only do so much in 8 hours, and on top of that maybe 1 hr per subject and on top of that 20 kids that learn at different rate/ways.

So for example, my wife, although a great teacher, has a high percentage of Hmong - the parents speak little to no english and the kids aren't much better, ad to that parents that don't care how the kids do in school, and ad to that a behavior disorder or learning disability.

So for 20 kids, 40% are like the above, 30% are your average kid/family and 30% are above normal. Now across the city a teacher that is in a prestigous school that is about to retire and could give 2 shit's less about how the kids do, and is using lesson plans from 20yrs ago. And 75% of the students score above average.

Not sure I agree with the performance based stuff :yikes:

Now if teachers get paid on performance, shouldn't all government workers. The guy at the dmv that makes you go back and fill out 4 more forms and wait in line another hour just to be a dick, let's dock his pay and give him something to work for!

On another note, what do politicians have to work for, and more what do they have to lose? If they don't do there job do they get a cut in pay, will they lose some benefits/pensions? Once your in, it's smooth sailing the way I understand. Lets fire all politicians, bring in some new guys and give them some motivation. If they can't keep the budget above a 3% deficit (lets just say), get them out and a new guy in. After all this is a business per say :)

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I understand your situation and I do agree. You can only do so much when the parenting isn't there. And because of that, how do you base pay on performance. But I'm happy we are at least HAVING the discussion. Let's start brainstorming some ways on how to fix these problems.



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094027/

[2fst-gsx]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094027/

haha, love it!

Makes you wonder, is it our teachers that we need to blame for kids poor performances? I believe they are stuck in the middle. The 'system' says, " your kids need to be at this level" and the parents say "I don't care what my kids do". So we say, lets fvck the teachers because it's clearly their fault.

Maybe parents should have to pay more or less income tax based on how their kids perform on certain standard test's until they are 18??? After all they are with their children more hours in the day than a teacher is. Lol

And parents can't say "well it's not my job to teach them math, reading, blah blah, it's the teachers". If that's the case, they don't deserve to be a parent, and they should be in a padded room.

It's pretty common knowledge that people learn differently, no matter what age. So why is there a standard way of teaching and testing kids. Seems like some common sense would go a long way in the "system"

And why are there 7 yr old kids that can defeat call of duty 3 but can't read 3 sentences? Again, is that the teachers fault, parent's fault or maybe the principles fault? ;)

50-60 yrs ago learning disabilities were not as common, although present, just not as common. If you couldn't figure out how to read, or you were a shit head on the playground you got 2 boots up your ass, one from the teacher and one from your dad. Today the teacher would be cell mate's with that dad. And it seems all to easy, too.

Nowadays, if a kid can't read at a level 48 when they are 7 they are classified as LD (learning disability) by our system and go to 14 special fvcking reading sessions a week for a year. And don't worry we now have to pay 12 more employee's that are not classified as teachers but assistants to help these kids read "green eggs and ham"

It's too easy now days to take the easy track. If a teacher yells at a kid, and the kid tells the parents the "kinda truth", the teacher is the one that gets screwed. How many times do you know of this happening.....a teacher getting something on there record because mommy and daddy didn't like what they said or did to there kid. C'mon people, grow up and take responsibility for your children.

There are so many leeches in this country because it's easy...so, why not, right?

[JamesHell]

Why does "The Situation" on Jersey Shore get paid more then Obama?

Cause he does a better job :)


All I know about teachers is that I golf with them all summer. They complain about how little money they make while I worked all day then squeeze some golf in. They already played 18 holes after getting up at 10 am with a hangover from sitting at the bar the night before. All this on a Tuesday.
Every teacher here makes more money then I do by a lot. And they don't just get 3 months off. They only work something like 180+ days a year. Then get vacation on top of that. And the 10 hours a day my ass! More like maybe 7 or 8. Don't feed me this crap of dealing with kids. You picked it. What did you think it was going to get better by the time got out of college?

Anyways good luck with all that down there. While Im stuck in la-la land up here.

[Pointdsm]

your welcome.
a few of my customers stole them (with permission) from my office... had to make more! ha.

Hey Kurt,

Are you making signs? Could you mail me down one at my cost?

[VPT]

Thats what I always say! You pick your profession! Don't complain about it! If you don't like a car you sell it and buy a different one.

[2fst-gsx]

I agree with this^^^

If you're going to bitch and complain about your job, get another one. Sad thing is if a person bitches about one job they will likely do the same at another.

And remember it's easy to say all of this about teachers and them complaining about shit because of what's going on currently. But find me another profession that the same thing doesn't happen? I bet were you work/what you do there are the "complainers" and there are the "hard workers". It's our society

I think some of these teachers rode the union to the top, get paid big $$$ and complain and don't really do shit. Granted this is all you hear about. But like any other profession there are a lot of great workers that round out the rest of them.

[IROC]

ah, some more from the fucking losers out there. Of course, no one on the left is going to denounce this.

http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/134902883.html

that's right. Whip up the nazi salute at the christmas tree lighting ceremony, which is dedicated in part, to our veterans. Down with walker right!? Who cares if we disrespect the people who gave their lives to allow us, the scumbags, to protest!

I wonder how the wwii veterans there felt?

What a bunch of losers. God it pisses me off. Go get a fucking job. You know why your life sucks? It's not governor walker. It's you. It's because you have nothing to offer society.

I hope walker crushes this stupid ass "anything goes, no consequences for what we do" movement. I don't even understand how someone could vote for walker's opposition or sign a recall petition knowing that this is the movement you are supporting/rewarding.

These are the stories that need to get out there. The media would never report something like this, just remember, it's the peaceful, loving, protests. And the peaceful, loving, recall movement.

x10

[VPT]

I agree with this^^^

If you're going to bitch and complain about your job, get another one. Sad thing is if a person bitches about one job they will likely do the same at another.

And remember it's easy to say all of this about teachers and them complaining about shit because of what's going on currently. But find me another profession that the same thing doesn't happen? I bet were you work/what you do there are the "complainers" and there are the "hard workers". It's our society

I think some of these teachers rode the union to the top, get paid big $$$ and complain and don't really do shit. Granted this is all you hear about. But like any other profession there are a lot of great workers that round out the rest of them.



That right there is a big problem with unions. If you work your ass off and are the best at what you do OR if you sit there like a chump, hide in the shitter all day and slack off like a little bitch you both get the same treatment/benefits/raises, etc. Unions protect the useless people.

Part of the reason industry is going over seas is because these union whiners just keep asking and asking for more and more until their product is so expensive that no one buys it or the company which they work for can't afford to pay their wage and all their benefits so it simply closes up shop and moves to cheaper workers.

Not only with unions but you can see this happening all over with small business as well. Everyone wants cheap junk so they shop walmart instead of local business's. Plus with the price of insurance and whatnot today that small businesses have to carry for their employs puts them over the top. EVERYTHING has become way to fucking expensive in this country because everyone keeps passing on the buck to the next in line. Small business can't afford to stay in business with all the insanely high overhead costs unless they pass on the buck to the customer which turns the customer away because everyone has hard times and can't afford the small business product so like I mentioned they go to walmart. Big corporations paying minimum wage will never ever make up the jobs lost from all the small businesses they help put out of business.

I'm just going on now, I'll stop. Support Walker!

[devlish]

So friday my dad is out doing some shopping, and stops to talk to some people looking for signatures to Recall Walker... he asks why they think he should sign the petition. They tell him "we don't have to answer your questions". He asks them what they do not like about Walker. their answer... "he's evil"

no joke, that is what they told him. WOW! he went on to say how he shouldn't have to pay for something he doesn't believe in, and how they think that is the "right" thing to do with our state. they then told him "if you don't like it, move out of the state". again... WOW!!!

so he says he'll sign it if they can give him 3 reasons to do so... again, their answer... "we don't have to answer your questions". they then took a picture of him with their cell phone for some reason, and he left.

do these people even know why they are standing out in the cold trying to get signatures???

[05Saab]

^Doubt it haha I wish it was easier to yell at these dumb asses while in my jeep when i drive by.

[Scrad]

The reason they took a picture of your dad was because there have been a rash of incidents from Walker supporters stealing the recall signature sheets. This just happened at the Rudolph Country Christmas this past weekend. But the police got the sheet back. Guess the Pro Walker people are scared Walker might get recalled.

The signature collectors are being provoked by Walker supporters that is why they don't get into verbal arguements and choose not to say anything. Not because they don't know what is going on and standing there like morons.

I also witnessed first hand someone trying to provoke signature collectors at the Rudolph Christmas last weekend.

If you want to sign, sign. If not move along. They are not trying to sway your decison. They don't try and stop you and make you listen to them and get you to sign. They stand there peacefully. Everyone knows why they are standing there. Do they really need to prove that their views are right to you.

[VPT]

I saw another support walker sign on hwy 66!

[Greg86z28]

The reason they took a picture of your dad was because there have been a rash of incidents from Walker supporters stealing the recall signature sheets. This just happened at the Rudolph Country Christmas this past weekend. But the police got the sheet back. Guess the Pro Walker people are scared Walker might get recalled.

The signature collectors are being provoked by Walker supporters that is why they don't get into verbal arguements and choose not to say anything. Not because they don't know what is going on and standing there like morons.

I also witnessed first hand someone trying to provoke signature collectors at the Rudolph Christmas last weekend.

If you want to sign, sign. If not move along. They are not trying to sway your decison. They don't try and stop you and make you listen to them and get you to sign. They stand there peacefully. Everyone knows why they are standing there. Do they really need to prove that their views are right to you.

Actually, they DO need to change people's minds or they aren't going to get enough signatures. If they had the support, they would have had 700,000 signatures in 2 weeks.

This is the peaceful movement, you're right. I find it odd that you can, in detail, describe how you will murder the governor, lawmakers and their families and get NO jail time but you can scribble a name out on a petition and get jail time. I'm not saying the scribbling is OK, but I'm just pointing out the double standard in this state. That's what happens when the media picks a side to be on.

[devlish]

agreed. we knew the pic was for some sort of harrassment "backup plan" etc... same thing. he wasn't there yelling, starting a fight, simply asking a question... why should he sign? and what is it about Walker that they think is so bad. "he's EVIL" isn't really a good reason to sign the recall. my dad is one of the most reasonable people you'll meet, he'll listen to BOTH sides of the story no matter what his stance is. he wanted to understand it better.

and now we do understand it, unfortunately those recall people DON"T. like greg said, they should be informative. they should give information regarding their side. instead of telling people to move out of state, or walker is evil. my dad didn't say "if you don't like walker, why don't YOU move!" simply asked a question.

just goes to prove the point that they really have no business being out there trying to get signatures if they are that immature about a situation.

[TomKat]

They are not trying to sway your decison. They don't try and stop you and make you listen to them and get you to sign. They stand there peacefully. Everyone knows why they are standing there. Do they really need to prove that their views are right to you.

They are not trying to sway your decision? You've got to be kidding.

Yes they should be able to provide information on their views if they are asking you to sign a petition. And they are asking.

[Scrad]

How do they know you are just not trying to provoke them? Maybe you have a secret camera setup or something that could twist their words around or something.

That is why they say nothing. It is better for them to just be quiet and let you sign if you want to. You can get your information from any new media you choose.

You are acting like they are stupid for standing out in the cold trying to get signatures for something they believe in. It think it is smarter for them to be quiet and not attract negative attention to themselves.

People are already for or against what good would it do try and sway your opinion.

I bet if the situation was reversed and there was an issue you believed in you'd think the Pro Walker petitioner people are douche bags too. You view the Anti Walker people as stupid or misinformed because your Pro Walker. If Walker directly effected your wallet you'd feel differently about the whole issue and know more about some things other than what corporate media tell you.

If the Walker supporters are so worried why are they stealing signature sheets and play about 3 times as more "It's working Wisconsin" ads than the Anti movement. It all about money. Who do you think has more money to get their agenda out to be heard.

[devlish]

They are not trying to sway your decision? You've got to be kidding.

Yes they should be able to provide information on their views if they are asking you to sign a petition. And they are asking.

correct, they ARE asking for signatures as you walk by.

i think they should only be allowed on their own private properties. i don't wanna see them while i'm out shopping, or on the sidewalks at UWSP while we're there for graduation! how sad (and annoying)

[Scrad]

Tom, how are they trying to sway your decision to sign when they are just standing there saying nothing. It is a place where you have the opportunity to sign if you want to. Just like when you voted for Walker or not.

I have never heard one petitioner say "Come sign the recall sheet." But that is just my experience. I've only seen them holding a sign that says Recall Walker.

[devlish]

There was a woman mentioned either in the paper or on the radio, cannot remember which... but was discussing it this weekend with a family member... anywhoo, this woman openly stated she went around to as many "signature spots" as she could find, and put her name on all of them. over 20+ sheets she signed, becuase she figured it was her right to sign as much as she wanted! how rediculous!! i'd like to go vote at all the voting stations then if there happens to be another election for this! it's people like that give the recall people a bad name in general. those, and well, the ones that have no better reason other than "he's evil"

[Scrad]

I do agree that seeing the petitioners at public places are slightly annoying. I think it would be even more annoying if they tried to hand you info shit or start talking to you about why you should sign.

See the reason why they are staying quiet. Going out of your way to disseminate your info can backfire and piss more people off that might otherwise had signed your petition.

But it is a public place and you are afforded the same opportunity to stage your own Pro Walker movement if you choose too. You have to go where the people are. Do you think your going to get more signatures at your house or somewhere easily accessible?

[devlish]

Tom, how are they trying to sway your decision to sign when they are just standing there saying nothing. It is a place where you have the opportunity to sign if you want to. Just like when you voted for Walker or not.
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they do stop you and ask you to sign. not all of them i'm sure, but some of them do. there have been open letters in the papers about people being pulled aside by them asking for signatures. or having the sheet pushed in front of you, and a pen held right up to you...

how is that NOT trying to force you to sign? probably not at gun point, but having something pushed upon you is still forcing the issue. i'm sure there have been altercations as well, (from BOTH sides)

[devlish]

i get WHY they stand in front of walmart or kohls etc... i just wish more businesses would go kick them OFF their property.

[Scrad]

I remember seeing some idiot on the news back when Bush was running for presidency saying he voted for Bush about 3 times around town. And his dumbass let them put his name on the tv. It is illegal you moron.

There are just as many dumb Anti Walker people as Pro Walker people.

[Scrad]

i get WHY they stand in front of walmart or kohls etc... i just wish more businesses would go kick them OFF their property.

They have the right to if they choose. Have you heard about the Lowe's commercial being pulled on the Muslim in America show. Same thing.

I've never seen a petitioner at Walmart, Khols, or Target. Only on public property. I'll have to be more observant.

Kurt, can I come to Sign Pro and stand with a recall sheet. I 'd need you print me off a Anti Walker banner. What if I just stand on the street in front. Would that be ok? Haha.


"You wish" see that's your opinion because you don't agree. I wish you'd let me come to your business and let me petition if I wanted to. (Not that I want to)

[Scrad]

This thread is attracting lots of attention and it isn't even car related. I think that is funny considering the forum.

I have to go to bed now.

[Greg86z28]

Walker vs Tammy "I munch rugs" Baldwin in a recall election?

I'd pay to see that.

Walker takes it in a landslide 65/35.

[devlish]

I've never seen a petitioner at Walmart, Khols, or Target. Only on public property. I'll have to be more observant.
Target NO. Walmart NO. Walgreens YES. Kohls YES.


Kurt, can I come to Sign Pro and stand with a recall sheet. I 'd need you print me off a Anti Walker banner. What if I just stand on the street in front. Would that be ok? Haha.
)

Private property, so NO. on the street in front of my building, also a NO. i can call the cops and tell them you're loitering in front of my place of business, and since i pay my taxes, they have to come ask you to leave.

:-)

[Greg86z28]

http://www.620wtmj.com/podcasts/news/newstogo/135728068.html


Graeme (Yes, that's Graham) Zielinski, spokesman of the democratic party. First off, it's crazy that you have someone this unhinged to be your party's spokesman, but honestly, this guy basically sums up the left.

For some reason, the way he talks, the uncontrolled rant, the inability to discuss politics without just making blanket accusations (like Scott Walker is evil, I don't need to explain myself), fits the left in Wisconsin PERFECTLY.


It's almost comical. This was on 620 WTMJ out of Milwaukee too, so lots of people got a earful.

[Scrad]

Article of people spitting on recall supporters.

http://www.waow.com/story/16360235/2-accused-of-spitting-on-recall-supporters

Just shows how classless some Pro Walker supporters are. Hmm...

[Greg86z28]

Article of people spitting on recall supporters.

http://www.waow.com/story/16360235/2-accused-of-spitting-on-recall-supporters

Just shows how classless some Pro Walker supporters are. Hmm...

What is your point here? I can't say I agree with people doing that, it's wrong. It's a little spit, its a scribbled out name on a petition, it's wrong no doubt and agree with it's classless, but it doesn't come close the losers who protest at the Special Olympics, who flip up a Nazi salute at the Christmas lighting ceremony, how about all those fraudulent doctor's notes?

How about protesting Scott Walker's wife and kids at their home in Wauwatosa?

Oh that's right "nothing to see here, peace loving movement".

You're talking about 2 unhinged people, I'm talking about a movement of disrespect and anything goes tactics.

Here's part of that death threat:
"This is how it's going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records. We have all planned to assult (sic) you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. However, this isn't enough. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message. So we have built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent..."

I'd have more sympathy if I saw the democratic party release a statement saying people need to tone it down, have some respect. But this protest behavior was supported from day one, when the lawmakers themselves were chanting "shame shame shame" They've created a monster.


But you're really stretching if you think that some spit and a scribbled petition define the silent majority. I don't think so.

[devlish]

What is your point here? I can't say I agree with people doing that, it's wrong. It's a little spit, its a scribbled out name on a petition, it's wrong no doubt and agree with it's classless, but it doesn't come close the losers who protest at the Special Olympics, who flip up a Nazi salute at the Christmas lighting ceremony, how about all those fraudulent doctor's notes?

How about protesting Scott Walker's wife and kids at their home in Wauwatosa?

Oh that's right "nothing to see here, peace loving movement".

You're talking about 2 unhinged people, I'm talking about a movement of disrespect and anything goes tactics.

Here's part of that death threat:


I'd have more sympathy if I saw the democratic party release a statement saying people need to tone it down, have some respect. But this protest behavior was supported from day one, when the lawmakers themselves were chanting "shame shame shame" They've created a monster.


But you're really stretching if you think that some spit and a scribbled petition define the silent majority. I don't think so.

well said greg!

[Greg86z28]

Just let me reiterate that I agree with Scard, that the spitters/scibblers are a bunch of losers. Keep your hands and bodily fluids to yourself, it's not that hard.

The only time you should take physical action is to vote if it comes to that.

[Scrad]

I was just making a point that the petitioners have reason to be silent and not provoke or answer questions. Some of you seem to think they are stupid and uneducated because of their action or non actions when approached. There is a reason for how they are conducting their process of gathering signatures.

Walker forced this recall effort on himself. The teachers and democrats were willing to take cuts and negotiate. They did not want to have their barging rights revoked, but were willing to do their part.

Most of the people on this forum that are Pro Walker work or own small business or don't hardly work at all. I can see why they are for this. They feel entitled to what others have and they don't. If you worked for any government or big businesses you'd understand why people are so pissed off about this. Walker could have still achieved his goals without taking away bargaining rights.

Things for schools and teachers don't seem bad right now. Partly because the school year started and contracts were negotiated already. Its just a matter of time that administrators and school leaders will realize how much they can screw workers and get away with it. It's all about the higher ups keeping the money from the middle class. I fear things will end badly for this state and education for youth, but I really hope things can work either way the recall effort pans out.

[Greg86z28]

Walker forced this recall effort on himself. The teachers and democrats were willing to take cuts and negotiate. They did not want to have their barging rights revoked, but were willing to do their part.

I think the Unions have made it more than clear that they do what's best for them and no one else. They claim they would have made the contributions, but that's a joke. Why didn't they start making contributions earlier? Why did it take Act 10 to actually get them to say they'd make contributions?

Madison Prep (a school designed to help failing impoverished students) didn't pass because it wanted to use NON-union teachers, which violated a union contract for the area.

What about the teacher's union in Milwaukee who voted that it would rather lay-off the younger teachers than take cuts to keep everyone on?

[Greg86z28]

Walker forced this recall effort on himself. The teachers and democrats were willing to take cuts and negotiate. They did not want to have their barging rights revoked, but were willing to do their part.

Actually less than 50% of the voters (an amount that can't win an election) in the last election are forcing this recall.

[Colin255]

Actually less than 50% of the voters (an amount that can't win an election) in the last election are forcing this recall.

If anyone else actually wanted to be governor, I'd go for it.

But its far too late in the game for a candidate to step forward, whoever does will be doomed to failure by the "high road" campaign strategies favored by the left these days. Its not that hard to look across the aisle to see what the public responds to, but nobody has the balls to present a hardline progressive agenda and use fear to give it momentum.

So don't worry buddy, Walker will see this as his mandate from the people to go full bore.

[VPT]

After dropping the kids off at school this morning I am gonna run over to pick up that stuff, then we can look at and discuss your stuff, and then we can talk about other stuff.

[Greg86z28]

After dropping the kids off at school this morning I am gonna run over to pick up that stuff, then we can look at and discuss your stuff, and then we can talk about other stuff.

Alright cool. I've got the credit card and mirror.

[EVILUTION]

I think VPT should have a HUGE support walker sign.... Same with me. Lots of traffic in front of both of our homes.

[devlish]

VPT had one. maybe still does... haven't by his place in a while. i hear yours got pegged by some left wing liberal students most likely a while back huh? sorry to hear that.

[Greg86z28]

An article written by some lefty for the Capitol Times in response to Scott Walker's State Of The State speech last night:

The best part of the speech for many in this crowd was when it was over and politicians filed out.
"There's a live one!" someone shouted as Rep. Joel Kleefisch, R-Oconomowoc (also Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch's husband), strode past on his way to the bathroom.
"Shame!" shouted Jeremy Ryan, the executive director of a protest group called Defending Wisconsin.
As Kleefisch passed the crowd again later, a young woman taunted him. "Your wife's a f--- whore!" she screamed.

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/city-hall/protesters-say-scott-walker-has-made-his-last-state-of/article_05457360-47d0-11e1-a341-001871e3ce6c.html
What would you do if someone called your wife a whore?

And this is the same party that just called for civility *rolls eyes*.

Just remember, this election has now surpassed Scott Walker vs a democratic opponent.

It is now Scott Walker vs. complete disregard for respect or responsible behavior.

Vote against Walker and you're supporting this unhinged movement.

[EVILUTION]

I'm just gonna wait for the vote.... but I would like a new sign.

[VPT]

Either the snow plow plowed over my sign or someone stole it. The wire frame is still there and in the ground but the sign is MIA. Gotta dig threw the snow a bit and see if it is there.

[northsydryd]

Either the snow plow plowed over my sign or someone stole it. The wire frame is still there and in the ground but the sign is MIA. Gotta dig threw the snow a bit and see if it is there.

lmfao,ive heard stories about some of the abbuse these signs take

[EVILUTION]

While on my way to work.... I witnessed the garbage man crush your sign with the power dumper!!!

[VPT]

While on my way to work.... I witnessed the garbage man crush your sign with the power dumper!!!



He has done that like 3 times and I had to fix it every time. For some reason I don't think the city workers like the sign very much.

While waiting for my kid to come on the bus I have had people drive by and yell that they support him too. The substitute bus driver was wearing a pin on his jacket that said "I stand with Walker".

[Greg86z28]

He has done that like 3 times and I had to fix it every time. For some reason I don't think the city workers like the sign very much.

While waiting for my kid to come on the bus I have had people drive by and yell that they support him too. The substitute bus driver was wearing a pin on his jacket that said "I stand with Walker".

You have to get a metal frame and run some juice through it...

:cool:

[devlish]

^ my thoughts exactly!!

VPT... are you serious the garbage men are doing that?

[EVILUTION]

I saw it happen .

[northsydryd]

I saw it happen .

deffenitly in my top 3 of most memorable tt stories.lmfao...i might have recorded it

[VPT]

Yeah they don't like it. I found it in the snow bank today and stuck it back up!

[devlish]

I saw it happen .

hilarious!!!

a call to the city would be in order.

VPT, set up a camera on garbage day this week please!!! i'd LOVE to see this!!!!

[VPT]

One of the garbage guys (not sure if hes the one that is doing it) is Rodger. If it was him I am sure it was a joke.

[DirtyBird]

Just spraypaint support walker in your driveway