2012 Winter Mod Thread

[Dizmm]

I know it may be a bit early for a winter mod thread, but the forum has been dead lately.

Whats everyone got planned?



i've got an early start on my winter project. Currently sending in the Tcase for a small build/fix.

Also plan to:
-ALL new fluids, Filled to the brim!
-Dual map tune via TephraV7
-New Racing Tires
-maybe some stickers too

[DontStopMe]

Not very exciting but....

- Fix the notorious stuck evo heater control knob
- get a new back bumper & possibly new tail lights
- general cleaning, inside & out
- possibly dyno


Then, de-mod most likely.

[Dizmm]

Then, de-mod most likely.

:this_is_stupid_yo:

[Draven8795]

If I had money I'd:

Get an aeroforce dual reading gauge
Get the down pipe I've always wanted.
And a new drivers seat

Most likely:
Change all of the fluids
Get new front brake pads
Start saving for a tire fund
Other general 60k maintenance

Currently looking at getting a mig welder for the garage as well.

[Deadly_Evolution]

All I want for Christmas is more torque! That being said I'm really unsure what to do at the moment. Few issues to work out and then figure out what's next for the car as it has not had any upgrades in a LONG time. Besides a touch up on the tune, 1 set of tires (still half life in them) and fluids, there has not been a dime spent on the car in over a year.

[Dizmm]

All I want for Christmas is more torque! That being said I'm really unsure what to do at the moment. Few issues to work out and then figure out what's next for the car as it has not had any upgrades in a LONG time. Besides a touch up on the tune, 1 set of tires (still half life in them) and fluids, there has not been a dime spent on the car in over a year.

I've got a good working Evo9 turbo you can send in to be upgraded....

[Dizmm]

If I had money I'd:

Get an aeroforce dual reading gauge
Get the down pipe I've always wanted.
And a new drivers seat

Most likely:
Change all of the fluids
Get new front brake pads
Start saving for a tire fund
Other general 60k maintenance

Currently looking at getting a mig welder for the garage as well.

I have a Front Sway bar for you.

[Draven8795]

I have a Front Sway bar for you.


Isn't a pretty thick one. Is that going to help on road courses?

[Dizmm]

Isn't a pretty thick one. Is that going to help on road courses?

it will help everywhere. it will greatly improve turn-in. The stock FSB's are very small.

[DoWork]

Lets see.....

Tons of mods to the Pocket Rocket and "Motard" the pit bike

Hopefully get the black car to live again

Save for a set of coilovers and 17's with race rubber for the Scoob

Oh, and buy a damn house.

[KARKRAFT]

I'll be happy to get enough days off to attend a few ice races, let alone spend time in the garage.

But if I do,
CRX-sell it, or: put a radiator in it and finish wiring in the wideband. Put in the new ecu.

STi-maybe snow tires and a DIZMM bumper bar?

Diesel- get rid of it and get a smaller truck.

[SgtRauksauff]

hmm, there's a lot:

AE86: rear springs, alignment, corner-weight. possibly change back to 100% stock suspension and bring it out for some shenanigans on the ice.

323: fix the rust on the door, change the oil, finish the manual seat-belt conversion, add my rear spoilers, fix the exhaust. Get a paint job. maybe replace the shot struts, and various other regular maintenance.

Protege 4WD (blue): finish the bodywork around the windshield, put in a new windshield, drive the car all winter.

Protege 4WD (gray): make a dashboard, ice-race the snot out of it. maybe swap to the rear clutch-type LSD.

Wagon: change clutches, return to DD status.

Volvo: air up the tires, replace bushings/struts/shocks.

SV650: figure out which hardcase I want to use on the back seat. currently awaiting parts to finish modifying the running lights to act as turn signals. maybe add a couple USB/power outlets for phone charging while on trips. Possibly add some driving lights, maybe even go HID somewhere.

GS450: rebuild carbs, make a cafe seat, replace fork oil/seals/dustcaps, get running.

trailer: check the wheel bearings and brakes. install a tool/battery/winch box, install winch.

or, just be lazy and do nothing.

--sarge

[shaggy4267]

List:

Fluids as always
NT03+M 17X9.5 rims wrapped in 255 or 265 star specs or Rs3's
New Pads
ARP lug studs on rears to match fronts
Different muffler, probably magnaflow. Current fart can rattles against the trailer hitch mount and I don't like the looks.
Clean up my Brembos

Not sure from there....

[Deadly_Evolution]

Fixed it for you :)
hmm, there's a lot:

AE86 SELL

323: SELL

Protege 4WD (blue):SELL

Protege 4WD (gray):SELL

Wagon: SELL

Volvo:SELL

SV650: You can keep it

GS450: SELL

trailer:SELL since you wont have all that junk that breaks down

or, just sell all that stuff and get ONE nicer car.

--sarge

[EVILUTION]

GSW....are you putting on a new splitter?

[06evo9se]

well i just bought a house with a huge garage so i am looking at lifts...
but for the car
gsc s2 cams
bilstein with swift springs
brake fluid
rear tc fluid change
25psi wga
rpf1s
and im sure some other crap lol

[EVILUTION]

I have some bilstiens if you are interested.... they have robispec springs.

[abot316]

well i just bought a house with a huge garage so i am looking at lifts..[/

I just a MaxJax about 3 months ago. If you have shorter than 9' ceiling its the way to go. I got it as an open item on Ebay. Its portable but only goes up 4'. Most think it would be useless but with a roller stool its like standing a full height 2 post. Any questions, lmk. As for cars: Buy a nice plasma cutter and welder to build a true over the axle dual exhaust. Put my spare LS1 back together. RS3's. Different rate Vogtland springs. Maybe even a turbo. Idk. I've been pimped a lot on that subject for the Camaro lately. Polish my 'vette rims. Sell shit. Get my Integra ready for the ice. I think ill finally build a match to the Mad Max ice tire from 12 years ago.

[Getsideways]

GSW....are you putting on a new splitter?

Yes , im going to build a nice one , or actually 2 i think ;)

I've got a huge list .

But for starters.
Work on the E85 conversion
Install 1450s
Install DW300 fuel pump

Looking for a spare head , or going to send my head\intake in to get both touched up.

Install racing cat.

Send turbo back to MAP for a complete inspection and upgrades

I have race pads for sale from the front of the car if anyone is interested.

Ive got a crapload of other things im going to do just not sure on some of them at the moment.

[Getsideways]

Jeff are you demodding the car yet have you decided if you like the few extra HP up top?

[SgtRauksauff]

I've been thinking 'bout MaxJax for awhile, but haven't really got serious yet about installing a lift. I might have to come check that out at some point.

I just use a chopsaw to build exhausts. A plasma sure would be fun!!


AE86 SELL

323: SELL

Protege 4WD (blue):SELL

Protege 4WD (gray):SELL

Wagon: SELL

Volvo:SELL

SV650: You can keep it

GS450: SELL

trailer:SELL since you wont have all that junk that breaks down


for now, I'll keep the paid-for cars and insurane under 100 bucks per car each six months. Once I build up another decent-sized wad of cash, I'll probably do that.

--sarge

[EVILUTION]

Jeff are you demodding the car yet have you decided if you like the few extra HP up top?

After performing the swap, I have reconfirmed that I absolutely fucking HATE wrenching on cars. I had crud under my fingernails for two days making it look like I wiped my ass with my bare hands! As most of you know, I fucking hate getting dirty unless it's doing something fun like paintball or biking. Getting grime covered with penetrating oil and coolant on the garage floor is not what I consider a good time. If the job wasn't such a PITA I would have already taken the damn thing off and sold it.

I really think Dizmm got it right this time. Go get a fully built track car that someone else wasted a ton of money on. I'm half tempted to sell mine and do just that. Besides I rarely drive the damn thing anymore anyway. I'm either embarrassed to be seen in it, it's impractical, or it's parked for the winter.

[Getsideways]

After performing the swap, I have reconfirmed that I absolutely fucking HATE wrenching on cars. I had crud under my fingernails for two days making it look like I wiped my ass with my bare hands! As most of you know, I fucking hate getting dirty unless it's doing something fun like paintball or biking. Getting grime covered with penetrating oil and coolant on the garage floor is not what I consider a good time. If the job wasn't such a PITA I would have already taken the damn thing off and sold it.

I really think Dizmm got it right this time. Go get a fully built track car that someone else wasted a ton of money on. I'm half tempted to sell mine and do just that. Besides I rarely drive the damn thing anymore anyway. I'm either embarrassed to be seen in it, it's impractical, or it's parked for the winter.


But Speaking of paintball me and my brother are going to the halloween event in wausau saturday morning you should join ! Grand valley is hosting it kinda pricey but its always fun to trade paint!

[Draven8795]

it will help everywhere. it will greatly improve turn-in. The stock FSB's are very small.


Well I could give it a shot. Car goes to storage next week so I'd have to put it on in the spring if Brunta (spelling) is ok with that?

[mpf_supra]

More HP.

[benben84]

Im going to be doing nothing on vehicles, I'm starting to feel like Evil mostly because it's a waste of money and I never have any time and I don't want to take the time anyways. I'm pretty much preparing myself to move from here soon so cars are not priority.

I think this winter will be wasted weightlifting/5k training, playing Starcraft 2, Skyrim, and Forza 4. Sounds good to me.

[EVILUTION]

Speaking of paintball me and my brother are going to the halloween event in wausau saturday morning you should join ! Grand valley is hosting it kinda pricey but its always fun to trade paint!

That sounds fantastic! I even have all of my paintball equipment... however... I have Reserves this weekend so I'll be playing military for real.

Thanks for the invite though.

[05Saab]

As most of you know, I fucking hate getting dirty unless it's doing something fun like paintball or biking.

Hmm...we might have to go mudding with the top off next summer then :cool:

[krazyk]

i feel the same way as jeske as well.. gonna just enjoy what I have and relax for a while.. i have been doing that the last year or so anyway..
winter will be spent training for USAPL nationals and seeing if i can go anyplace with my strength levels in powerlifting :)

[Getsideways]

That sounds fantastic! I even have all of my paintball equipment... however... I have Reserves this weekend so I'll be playing military for real.

Thanks for the invite though.

Its Next weekend the 31st

[Draven8795]

After performing the swap, I have reconfirmed that I absolutely fucking HATE wrenching on cars. I had crud under my fingernails for two days making it look like I wiped my ass with my bare hands! As most of you know, I fucking hate getting dirty unless it's doing something fun like paintball or biking. Getting grime covered with penetrating oil and coolant on the garage floor is not what I consider a good time. If the job wasn't such a PITA I would have already taken the damn thing off and sold it.

I really think Dizmm got it right this time. Go get a fully built track car that someone else wasted a ton of money on. I'm half tempted to sell mine and do just that. Besides I rarely drive the damn thing anymore anyway. I'm either embarrassed to be seen in it, it's impractical, or it's parked for the winter.


You crack me up Jeske

[Dizmm]

If you dont like to work on cars, dont get a full track car. I've already spent more time under the car than i have in the driver's seat. Hopefully that will change...

[Deadly_Evolution]

If you dont like to work on cars, dont get a full track car. I've already spent more time under the car than i have in the driver's seat. Hopefully that will change...

But.. that's not exactly the cars fault (this time)

[Dizmm]

But.. that's not exactly the cars fault (this time)

true...

If you were to leave the car near stock power levels, but strip it down. I think you'd have one hell of a reliable track car. once you start pumping an extra 100-200hp out of it, you'll be spending many nights fixing and maintaining the car.

You also find out that track time costs double when running a car with lots more power. You need to factor all the extra time/money that now goes into the car just for those 5 track days a year. I now understand why some of those crazy cars at GTA didnt go out in the rain or mornings when the track was cold. its just not worth it. Too bad a guy couldnt be backed by his Dad's million dollar company....

[05Saab]

Just go win a few evemts where sponsors are....maybe you'll turn a few heads

[Dizmm]

Just go win a few evemts where sponsors are....maybe you'll turn a few heads

you may win a few contingencies, but you will never (very very very unlikely) find someone that will back you financially 100%.

although a few free sets of tires a year would really help....

[Shane]

I've already spent more time under the car than i have in the driver's seat. Hopefully that will change...

Ha I know how that feels!!!!!!

This winter I doubt I will be doing much to the STi, still need to finish a couple things, put in my wideband and oil pressure gauge, maybe get a front splutter for next year.

240 needs timing chain, maybe new front seats and fix my fuel tank straps. Also start a tire fund for a new set of rs-3's

[bm87ta]

looking at 17x9 wheels to get better options on tires or just get kumho's
put in the homemade afpr
make some brackets to lower rear control arms
get rid of the one wheel wonder
blow up the 700r4

[supradjza80]

it will help everywhere. it will greatly improve turn-in. The stock FSB's are very small.

That seems counter intuitive that a thicker front bar is going to help turn in without adjusting the rear bar (thicker) in accordance. Unless the car is already very oversteer prone this is just going to make it understeer more vs make the car neutral.

Or am I missing something?

As for my plans

Get the Audi up and running with a tad more boost
Hope the Audi does not break

Maybe buy an ultra cheap high fuel mileage reliable car to back up the Audi in Winter.

Get the 92 Supra back in my possession and fix the last few issues in the drivers front suspension (wheel bearing, upper control arm bolt (bent from impact!, upper control arm bushings)

For the 97 I will be saving for some CCW wheels, most likely 18x10/18x11 and going with some 275f/295r tires. Not sure what tire I will be getting as my go to's (Star Spec and RS3's are not available in the 295). I may also be going with a standalone, likely ProEFI since I hate piggy back systems. Lastly the precision turbo on the car looks to have a leaking turbine oil seal (not too bad but will puff smoke bc of it on occasion) so it will likely be coming off for a rebuild or replacement.

Then its time to save money again!

[Dizmm]

That seems counter intuitive that a thicker front bar is going to help turn in without adjusting the rear bar (thicker) in accordance. Unless the car is already very oversteer prone this is just going to make it understeer more vs make the car neutral.

Or am I missing something?


a bigger FSB will create a sharper, more responsive turn-in. It will help keep the car more flat on corner entry. it was night/day difference on my sti.

There is more to the suspension to give it over/understeer characteristics. it all really has to do with the entire package (alignment, tires, spring rates, dampers, sways,...)

[Deadly_Evolution]

An extra 100 whp on an EVO is nothing, a walk in the park, very few of us keep cars long enough for that to ever matter. Even stock cars break parts, and require maintainence, on the track or on the street. Not that you don't already know this of course. Believe me I agree with you fully, personally have come to dislike working on cars, use to love it as a teen. It gets old, the only type of work that is fun still, would be modding, custom jobs, and a select few other things. Do sill enjoy the self satisfaction though of doing a big job, once it's done and over with.

There's a line between having fun and getting serious. This new car of your is more serious IMO. Like you said the cost factor went up to even take it out, hell to even get it there! Again IMO I would add some things to that car to make it streetable, but that's for you to decide of course. That is a staggering amount of money for a strictly weekend toy!

Give you props for taking such a jump in a wicked car, just hope you find that happy medium point of fun and satisfaction asap.
If you need a hand with anything feel free to ask and best of luck to you for the 2012 season!


PS. I want a ride in that car !
__________________

[05Saab]

PS. I want a ride in that car !

Better find yourself a nice pillow and some sweet "oh shit" handles...unless he plans on adding a passenger seat lol

[Deadly_Evolution]

Better find yourself a nice pillow and some sweet "oh shit" handles...unless he plans on adding a passenger seat lol

I have an EVO, I'll just bolt mine in while he's not looking.

[supradjza80]

There is more to the suspension to give it over/understeer characteristics. it all really has to do with the entire package (alignment, tires, spring rates, dampers, sways,...)

I understand this... But a bigger front bar with no change in the rear normally does not improve things if the car used to understeer (stock). But obviously I believe what you are saying for the STi but this would not be the normal outcome of just adding a bigger front roll bar.

[Dizmm]

I understand this... But a bigger front bar with no change in the rear normally does not improve things if the car used to understeer (stock). But obviously I believe what you are saying for the STi but this would not be the normal outcome of just adding a bigger front roll bar.

You are correct Dave, The normal rule of thumb with sways bars are increasing bar rate at one end will give the opposite more grip. However, while you may be changing where you have grip, the amount of total grip could be less.



at initial turn in, the rear is hardly doing anything. Its following the front. best place for a big FSB will be in a slalom.

[VPT]

Selling everything and buying gold.

[06evo9se]

I have some bilstiens if you are interested.... they have robispec springs.
how much u thinking?

[06evo9se]

I just a MaxJax about 3 months ago. If you have shorter than 9' ceiling its the way to go. I got it as an open item on Ebay. Its portable but only goes up 4'. Most think it would be useless but with a roller stool its like standing a full height 2 post. Any questions, lmk. As for cars: Buy a nice plasma cutter and welder to build a true over the axle dual exhaust. Put my spare LS1 back together. RS3's. Different rate Vogtland springs. Maybe even a turbo. Idk. I've been pimped a lot on that subject for the Camaro lately. Polish my 'vette rims. Sell shit. Get my Integra ready for the ice. I think ill finally build a match to the Mad Max ice tire from 12 years ago.

awesome! i see great reviews on them! how tall is your ceiling?

[EVILUTION]

how much u thinking?
$550 they have about 8000 miles on them as I purchased them new.
They are still on my car if you would like to see what they feel like.
http://i42.tinypic.com/34g0qcm.jpg

[06evo9se]

as long as it doesnt bottom out every pothole ill be happy lol....i just was leaning towards the swift springs....but i believe there were great reviews with these springs as well....u going with coilovers?

[SgtRauksauff]

$550 they have about 8000 miles on them as I purchased them new.
They are still on my car if you would like to see what they feel like.
http://i42.tinypic.com/34g0qcm.jpg

I need to gather this information as well, for possible future purchases. it will require an entire winter of testing the feel though, much of it on lake Winnebago and Wausau. I'll pick the car up tomorrow, and get it back to you next march.


:)

[EVILUTION]

Done! Lol

[EVILUTION]

as long as it doesnt bottom out every pothole ill be happy lol....i just was leaning towards the swift springs....but i believe there were great reviews with these springs as well....u going with coilovers?

I'm putting stock suspension back on the car. I have an extra set of rims available as well.

[06evo9se]

depending on how fast u wanted to sell them, ill take them, but i cant this month due to me just purchasing this house...

[Deadly_Evolution]

From your experiences.. how much better (for track use) are the Bilsteins over the stock KYBs?

There are days when I feel like just going back to stock or near stock.

Did you already pick up a set of KYB's? I have a set of 15k mile NEVER tracked perfect condition KYB's.

[snoxracer183]

Did you already pick up a set of KYB's? I have a set of 15k mile NEVER tracked perfect condition KYB's.

Megan might need these....

[06evo9se]

do you still have your stock suspension? if not i would be sellinh mine then? just a thought....

[SgtRauksauff]

Done! Lol

what time should I get there?

[EVILUTION]

I already have a set of KYB's but thanks for the offer. From what I've read TK and Megan both may be looking for some KYBs.

As for the difference, both on the track and on the street the Bilsteins seem more compliant over bumps and imperfections. They've always performed well for me.

No rush on the transaction. The car will be getting parked soon enough anyway.

[EVILUTION]

what time should I get there?

Sarge LMK if you want to use my new jeep as a tow vehicle as well.

[Dizmm]

Sarge LMK if you want to use my new jeep as a tow vehicle as well.

I wouldnt tow anything with your jeep, not unless you want to crash and die!

[06evo9se]

I already have a set of KYB's but thanks for the offer. From what I've read TK and Megan both may be looking for some KYBs.

As for the difference, both on the track and on the street the Bilsteins seem more compliant over bumps and imperfections. They've always performed well for me.

No rush on the transaction. The car will be getting parked soon enough anyway.
good mine is about to get put away too, we will talk soon! and tk or megan, shoot me an offer on my stock setup!

[TomKat]

I already have stock suspension sitting in my basement. Thanks anyways.

[SgtRauksauff]

Sarge LMK if you want to use my new jeep as a tow vehicle as well.

No thanks, I've got a '92 1-ton van with a 454 (7.4L) v8 and a diamond-plate-deck 19-foot steel trailer that gets 11-12mpg. no need to put undue strain on your shiny new big station wagon!

[1gnR/T]

Lets see.....

Tons of mods to the Pocket Rocket and "Motard" the pit bike

Hopefully get the black car to live again

Save for a set of coilovers and 17's with race rubber for the Scoob

Oh, and buy a damn house.

What kind of mods to the pocket rocket? I jus picked up this little guy, has a different exhaust and air filter the guy said, idk? but it's pretty fun.

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp171/1gnR-T/298659_2283964091723_1027490896_32088954_107717083 3_n.jpg

[DontStopMe]

So 4+ evos are being stored for the winter....


Why store AWD cars in the winter.... because racecar.

[snoxracer183]

Current Mod...make rallycross car for Nov 13

So you DSM guys...Is there a power steering rack "rebuild" kit or anything like that available. I need to fix the power steering on a 1990 Talon TSi for cheap....

Also need a power steering pump too. Seized the one on the car with no fluid when the power steering fluid leak happened...

[2fastforyou]

So 4+ evos are being stored for the winter....


Why store AWD cars in the winter.... because racecar.

My 2 Reasons...

1. Idiot Drivers in Bad conditions

2. Salt

[Dizmm]

I'd love to drive my evo in the winter.

[snoxracer183]

So if Shane and I buy you a seat slider AND a heater core can we drive it on studs? :)

[Dizmm]

So if Shane and I buy you a seat slider AND a heater core can we drive it on studs? :)

and a set of winter tires to get it to the lake. then yes

[SgtRauksauff]

and a set of winter tires to get it to the lake. then yes

Can I chip in on this too? but then we might end up making too many ruts in the lake and people will get angry. and start throwing themselves at pigs with pots on their heads.

[Dizmm]

Can I chip in on this too? but then we might end up making too many ruts in the lake and people will get angry. and start throwing themselves at pigs with pots on their heads.

Yes.

[grocerygetter]

new stock cam..
highway gears
more boost
going for low 10's and 22 mpg.

[Deadly_Evolution]

My 2 Reasons...

1. Idiot Drivers in Bad conditions

2. Salt

3. Some of us actually keep for more than a year.

4. I have a Subie, for the crap work.

[DontStopMe]

3. Some of us actually keep for more than a year.


I've had my Camaro for 12 years, which I don't drive in the winter, but at least its CWD.

If I had a nice evo that hadn't seen much winter I probably wouldn't want to drive it either. Just had to give you guys some guff.

[TomKat]

going for low 10's and 22 mpg.

You forgot to add getting 22 mpg while pulling another car in an enclosed trailer.

[Deadly_Evolution]

I've had my Camaro for 12 years, which I don't drive in the winter, but at least its CWD.

If I had a nice evo that hadn't seen much winter I probably wouldn't want to drive it either. Just had to give you guys some guff.

LOL I know buddy, same here. The main thing is the salt and rust.. I hate working on cars that are rusty. If there was snow, but no salt, I'd take the car out most likely. I'm also very fearful for white 2.5RS's that like to randomly stop in the middle of the road during hardcore blizzards.

[EVILUTION]

http://i40.tinypic.com/11lltti.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/15xscnb.jpg

[Dizmm]

300hp by only 4500(ish) rpms? that does seem laaaaggggy

[EVILUTION]

I've done all the troubleshooting I can to ensure that it's not something else. My wastegate probably isn't even opening, I double checked torque on all turbo/exhaust fittings, and my boost leak check will hold air for a long ass time. Looking at the log I see 20psi by 3600 rpm but I'm not seeing the power. It boils down to it being a poor a turbo design.

I'm more than likely going back to the stock turbo and leaving it that way. The nine turbo on E85 was 3x more fun to daily drive.

[Getsideways]

Yeah thats not that great, Mine Hits 200 WHP within 150 rpm of that .

Im sure on E85 your car felt just as good with the 9 turbo up top too.

Its kinda funny go look at the quickest\fastest 1/4 thread for stock frames ... the number one guy is runing a stock 9 turbo , beating all the blacks reds blah blah blah ha!

[Deadly_Evolution]

Why again didn't you just drop a proven turbo like a BBK full in there?

[Getsideways]

Im still curious to see an overlay of these 2 on your pump gas mixture if its not too much trouble?

[EVILUTION]

I replaced my TB shaft seals with milspec seals and eliminated the last of my boost leaks. I'm boost leak free to 27psi then my DV starts to bleed off some pressure. Though the task is both cheap and easy I wouldn't put much urgency on it. Before and after testing indicates no change in power delivery. Odds are the turbo just doesn't have to work as hard. It may be worth more if you are running the snail balls out. Just thought I would share.

[Extremedsm]

I replaced my TB shaft seals with milspec seals and eliminated the last of my boost leaks. I'm boost leak free to 27psi then my DV starts to bleed off some pressure. Though the task is both cheap and easy I wouldn't put much urgency on it. Before and after testing indicates no change in power delivery. Odds are the turbo just doesn't have to work as hard. It may be worth more if you are running the snail balls out. Just thought I would share.

I could have told you that before you wasted your time and money. You need alot more or a boost leak than a TB shaft seal to make a difference in turbo spool. I would assume it may help tuning a little though since you are losing metered air.

[Dizmm]

I could have told you that before you wasted your time and money. You need alot more or a boost leak than a TB shaft seal to make a difference in turbo spool. I would assume it may help tuning a little though since you are losing metered air.

the amount of air lost through the TB shaft seal is a drop in a pond.

[EVILUTION]

Oh I know its a fart in a hurricane. I did it because I wanted to check the intake manifold, injectors, and MAP sensor seals. I couldn't hear shit over the PSSSSSS from the TB. Now its dead quiet. Besides it only cost $30 and it allowed me to remove all my EGR/EVAP shit while I was in there. No more possible boost leaks from all those fucking hoses that don't really do shit.

On a funny note... . After removing all the brackets, hoses, and solinoids I took the car for a rip and it immediately when getting into boost it fast flashed the CEL. WTF! I go back check everything over and it all looks good so I lower the boost and try again. Same fucking problem, no codes but the car would knock if I dipped into boost. I couldn't figure it out and was SUPER PISSED OFF.

I did some searching and found that some people had similar conditions when their knock sensor failed. Additionally the sensors are said to be very fragile therefore I thought I had damaged the sensor when pulling out the vacuum line rats nest that's back there. So I go to locate and inspect the sensor only to find the bitch unplugged! YES! The damn thing shares a bracket with the EVAP solenoid and I forgot to reconnect it after removing the bracket. I plugged the bitch back in and walla no more knock issues! Hot damn! Odd that the car didn't immediately throw a code for the sensor but at least the fucking thing is smart enough to let you know something is wrong.

Next mod is to build a better boost leak tester. Mine wants to blow off the turbo/TB when 25 psi is reached. Last night I had to put hair spray on the coupler and let it sit for 10 minutes before pressurizing the system. I'd even entertain buying an already built one with a PSI meter if I could find a decent one reasonably priced.

[Extremedsm]

VPT and I had the same problem with the boost leak tester blowing off on my car. I braced it with my arm against the upper rail where the fender is bolted on. My car was leak free till a little over 40psi and we quit.

[Getsideways]

I have a really cool one from franks hardware that will not blow out, was under $6.

Thats funny about the knock sensor i just read about that happening to someone else.

[EVILUTION]

^ I need to check that shit out! $6 is bargain!

[DirtyBird]

So Ill have about 500 to 600 dollars to spend on dedicated track tires this year. Been wanting some star specs, but where is the best place to get em.

[EVILUTION]

I think there is only one place to get them and that's tire rack.

[DirtyBird]

Just looked, only problem for me right now is my track rims are 16". I can only find 225/50 max size in any max performance tire. The wheels are 8", but I dont know what stretching a 225 to a 8" rim will do to the characteristics of the tire and how grip will be affected. Just doing some basic math, but the sidewall shouldnt be stretched at all, but the stockers are 245s. Wish they made some 255-16s, or at least 245s.

[DirtyBird]

Looking at the RS3 hankooks too. They are looking a little better for me vs the stars. Alot cheaper too.

[bm87ta]

Just looked, only problem for me right now is my track rims are 16". I can only find 225/50 max size in any max performance tire. The wheels are 8", but I dont know what stretching a 225 to a 8" rim will do to the characteristics of the tire and how grip will be affected. Just doing some basic math, but the sidewall shouldnt be stretched at all, but the stockers are 245s. Wish they made some 255-16s, or at least 245s.


in the same boat with my third gen TA, only extreme perf tires i could find were kumhos. Ive been looking for cheaper 17s that dont need spacers

[Dizmm]

starspecs will last longer and perform better all around. RS3's do great in mid summer when temps are above 80.

225 on an 8in rim is the perfect fit.

[snoxracer183]

225s on a Camaro is not nearly enough tire

[paulmeisterpk]

Getting kumho xs for the corvette in 275s. I won't buy starspecs anymore.

[Dizmm]

Getting kumho xs for the corvette in 275s. I won't buy starspecs anymore.

you and John must have got a bad batch or something. I've never seen anyone else have issues with the starspecs.

Get the RS3's over the XS's.

[DirtyBird]

225s on a Camaro is not nearly enough tire
I would really like to get more tire under the car, but even any sticky 225s will be a bigstep up from the all season tires on it now.
I have 17" wheels that I could put a bigger tire on, but then I would be driving on them to and from work almost 80 miles a day, and that just seems like a waste of tire to me. Having a dedicated set of tires is great for me, because I can get over a season out of them.(or more given my attendence lately)
They are aso cheaper, which means I have money to address my brakes and crappy factory bushings.

[TomKat]

I would really like to get more tire under the car, but even any sticky 225s will be a bigstep up from the all season tires on it now.

Turbo Chick has a set of Kumho 710s. Brand new, never mounted. 225-40R17 for $380.00.

[TomKat]

you and John must have got a bad batch or something. I've never seen anyone else have issues with the starspecs.


I talked to some guys at the Miller Park event that also had issues with the Star Specs chunking. Said not enough air pressure was the culprit.

[DirtyBird]

Turbo Chick has a set of Kumho 710s. Brand new, never mounted. 225-40R17 for $380.00.
225s would be even worse on my 17s. Theyre wider yet then my 16s.

[Dizmm]

I talked to some guys at the Miller Park event that also had issues with the Star Specs chunking. Said not enough air pressure was the culprit.

that could be the issue along with not enough camber. that will cause chunking on the outside of any tire with low treadwear. I run mine at 37-38psi (hot).

[TomKat]

225s would be even worse on my 17s. Theyre wider yet then my 16s.

How wide? They will fit on a 9" wide wheel without problems.

[DirtyBird]

I think they are 9". If these were 16s it would be great. I cant use them though, my 17s are my street setup.

[Deadly_Evolution]

Jeff I have a boost leak tester you can try out if you want, has a flow control, gauge, 3ft house so you can be under the car or move around and see and control the pressure still. I built it myself. I've used it to test to 35 psi when I had the SRT-4 and Tylers EVO, with no issues. May need to pick up a new hose clamp, or I'll see if I have a to bolt that size.

[EVILUTION]

Id like to check that out. Speaking of clamps... does anyone have a local source for HD tbolt clamps? I stripped one and snapped another of my ebay clamps.

[DirtyBird]

Does anyone have any experiance of tips on doing your own front end alignments? My front end is off, and I want to play with some settings next year.

[supradjza80]

Well if you are just going to do it yourself one option is to do it with string. It can be time consuming to set up and hard to adjust toe with the car on the ground as well. It is really a matter of getting your string lines set up square to the car. First you make a parallelogram (which we will eventually move into a rectangular shape) around the car. It is important that lengthwise the 2 legs of the parallelogram are equal in length as well as the 2 legs making the width. Once you have this set up you use the center of the hubs to measure from to square it up comparing the LF to RF and making the distance LF=RF and then do the same with the LR and RR). Let me know if you still have questions on setup. Once the string is setup do not bump it! But afterwards you just use a caliper and measure from the front and rear edges of the wheel to the strings to set toe.

If you want to set camber/caster you will need some expensive equipment (check out Long acre racing) to do it properly.

I personally would rather do it on a rack or pay someone who will do custom alignments to do it as it is near impossible to do with the car on the ground for most cars. I used to used this setup to align open wheel single seat race cars which is a lot more accessible.

[TomKat]

Does anyone have any experiance of tips on doing your own front end alignments?

Take it to a shop.

[DirtyBird]

Maybe I should get a mechanic job again so I get shop perks again.

[paulmeisterpk]

you and John must have got a bad batch or something. I've never seen anyone else have issues with the starspecs.

Get the RS3's over the XS's.

Don't see 275 17s in rs3 on tire rack.

[DoWork]

What kind of mods to the pocket rocket? I jus picked up this little guy, has a different exhaust and air filter the guy said, idk? but it's pretty fun.



Sorry, just saw this post now. We have a Cag, so its not nearly as nice as yours. Hell, ours is a rigid frame lol. Our is already piped and is running a different jet, but, we were going to do a 49cc motor, full circle crank, ported cylinder, and bump compression a bit. Along with other crap like a better carb, lighter clutch, different air filter, maybe some gears, idk. I had originally bought it for my little guy, and he doesnt like it much(would rather drive his go cart), so its mine now. I may or may not do it. I'm kinda more into this "mini motard" thing now. I may just sell the rocket. We shall see. Its kinda hard to get excited about riding it when its 40* out lol.

[Deadly_Evolution]

Id like to check that out. Speaking of clamps... does anyone have a local source for HD tbolt clamps? I stripped one and snapped another of my ebay clamps.

I have sourced them from Napa before, you might have to get someone working the desk who's competent though, had some trouble with "what is a t bolt clamp" with some of the minimum wage help.

[EVILUTION]

Thanks. I'm hoping to find some heavy duty clamps. Maybe Napa will have them. The ones I got online tend to strip or snap when properly torqued.

[grocerygetter]

I got some from Mid-State Trucking in Rapids, not sure if the Plover store would have them, but they are common on most turbo trucks.

[Deadly_Evolution]

Also have a look at McMastercarr I can get you anything you need from there when I make an order since we have account. It's kind of a bitch sizing them though I've noticed.

As I recall there is also a type of hose clamp that is supposed to be a lot better than the T bolt, but I can't remember for the life of me what they are called. In my experiences with t bolts, you just gotta learn the feel for how much to tighten them. They work, in the 3.5 years I had my boost well over 25 psi on my SRT-4 I never, not even one time, blew an IC hose or vac line off. (which is a common issues for most people) I used those clamps from Napa (can't remember if they are breeze or Clamp Co.)

[grocerygetter]

all different sizes at NapaOnline
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=BK_7051532_0006394100

[krazyk]

well I lied about not working on cars apparently... not really modding but more or less finishing.. I aquired a rust free civic and im waiting for the motor to come back from the machine shop.. might throw a suspension on it and use it for autox or just stud some tires for ice racing..

[EVILUTION]

If its rust free then why drive it in the winter?

[krazyk]

If its rust free then why drive it in the winter?

I dont have anything else to ice race :).. and for what ill have into the car I dont care :)

[EVILUTION]

Installed a conical air filter and filled the car up with E85. The car continues to take timing up top but I'm at 19* and don't feel safe going beyond that. I turned off lean spool and now need to lean out spool up area a half a point but that area is only touched when stabbing the throttle from a roll so it's not that big of deal. Car feels significantly faster on corn piss.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2hzhjk5.jpg

[EVILUTION]

This is the difference between 1* of timing up top. I backed off my timing 2* from MBT. I'll put more timing back into it after I run through a couple tanks of E85. I suspect I'm running E70 right now.
http://i42.tinypic.com/o9hg0g.jpg

[Getsideways]

Good job for no cams looks like the turbo really likes E85, do an overlay over E85 on your 9 turbo thatd be real cool to see!

[EVILUTION]

Once spooled this turbo does hold more power over a much broader RPM. On clean fill of E85 I'm sure this snail will allow for 400/400 from 4500-7500 as it's nearly doing that now. But that is spiking at 30psi and I'm not a big fan of running that high of boost on factory head studs that a googly eye'd mitsu technician installed.

I also still feel like there's something going on during spool up and I'm not sure what it is. I've quadruple check for boost leaks and there are none yet I occasionally have that oscillating boost sine wave. I don't feel it in the car but in the logs it almost looks like compressor surge. Maybe I need to tweak my MIVEC map .... who knows.

I also have a few stock parts that are still holding back the car.... the stock unported O2 housing, stock diverter valve, and more than likely the stock cams. I think the DV would make the biggest impact as it starts to leak at 26psi.

[Dizmm]

What wastegate actuator did you end up using?

I have an e85 tester, GSW has it. Have you tested any more e85 stations GSW?

That spoolup looks much better than before.

[EVILUTION]

I'm using the high pressure actuator... but I'm willing to bet my factory 9 actuator would be fine for the boost levels I want to run.

I got my E85 from the county market Shell station. Did you guys find better E85 than that?

[Dizmm]

It sounded like you hit 2nd gear well before you past my house last night.

Same place i got my e85 from.

[Getsideways]

Only place i tested E85 was The Store behind walmart and it was 85% ETHANOL

My car is likely put away for winter and wont be getting anymore gas run in it.

No sense in testing now as im sure they are adding the E70 everytime they top off those pumps

Evil if you plan on upgrading the BV the Synapse DV is the way to go fits right in stock location Better driveability over stock zero surge issues.


If i were you i would add GSC S1 cams , The DV and turn the boost down to 26-27 making the same power.

[EVILUTION]

I need a clutch along with a taller 3rd & 4th gear before any more power mods.... although the DV could be a quick and easy winter mod.

Are you storing your car with E85 in it? I'm thinking I may run mine out and store it with pump.

[abot316]

Only place i tested E85 was The Store behind walmart and it was 85% ETHANOL

My car is likely put away for winter and wont be getting anymore gas run in it.

No sense in testing now as im sure they are adding the E70 everytime they top off those pumps.
When did you test the E85?

[Getsideways]

Jeff you wouldnt be making much more power if any just doing the same with less boost. Im not sure ive been considering draining it out and was actually pondering this in my head today trying to figure out what is best. Im going to research and see what others are doing.

I tested the E85 about 2-3 weeks ago

[Dizmm]

Jeff you wouldnt be making much more power if any just doing the same with less boost. Im not sure ive been considering draining it out and was actually pondering this in my head today trying to figure out what is best. Im going to research and see what others are doing.

I tested the E85 about 2-3 weeks ago

too funny. I was thinking of this the other day. I'm not sure what to do.

[EVILUTION]

Most people unhook the return line and let the fuel pump run the car out of fuel. If you have a full tank (like me) that could be a problem. I did some researching and most people say as long as the car is full you can store it with e85.

As for the cams... I'm going to stay with the stock ones until I do a full build.

[Extremedsm]

Just a heads up. I completely drained an X tank of E85 by unhooking the feed line to the rail. Absolutly no more would come out. I then put 5 gallons of pump in it and then pumped that out the same way. After that it was filled up and still had over 20% ethonol.

[EVILUTION]

I'm really considering doing a clutch during the off season. I just need someone to help as I haven't worked on an ACD evo yet. This clutch looks like a good start.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/vendor-service-parts-tuning-review/582992-competiton-hd-street-disc-clutch-alt-hdss.html

BTW DTD has $50 off on RS3 tires.
http://i40.tinypic.com/15dtocl.jpg

[Draven8795]

I'm really considering doing a clutch during the off season. I just need someone to help as I haven't worked on an ACD evo yet.




Are you going to rip that turbo out or wait till the spring so you can make a pass at a strip? (BTW I'm stuck at work).

[Deadly_Evolution]

I've been told by many those 255's are to wide for the stock rim as they almost over a half inch wider than a normal 255 (which is already pushing the limit of the stock 8" wide wheel) That's why I did not buy them to be honest. Lot of people reported rubbing on the fenders.

As for clutch the ACD article I posted on here has all of the needed info and I know someone on here just did an acd bleed with a t case replacement using that info. I'm available for helping with grunt work on that job if you need.

[EVILUTION]

Thanks.... but we have run the widest of 255s already... those BFG R1 were crazy wide. I find it hard to believe a street tire would be wider than those race tires.

As for the clutch I may need to call upon you.

[Deadly_Evolution]

Thanks.... but we have run the widest of 255s already... those BFG R1 were crazy wide. I find it hard to believe a street tire would be wider than those race tires.

As for the clutch I may need to call upon you.

Was told they are wider than the R1's as that was my comparison when asking about them. The R1's rubbed on my car in the front actually. If you get them it would be interesting to see if they rub or not, just figured I'd give you a heads up.

[EVILUTION]

Hmmm well then it might make sense to get the 235/45/17s as they will be wider and probably fit much better than 245/45/17. I would be using them for the street and for autox when I am too lazy to swap wheels. I plan to get some NT01s for track time.

[Deadly_Evolution]

Hmmm well then it might make sense to get the 235/45/17s as they will be wider and probably fit much better than 245/45/17. I would be using them for the street and for autox when I am too lazy to swap wheels. I plan to get some NT01s for track time.

That's what I was going to do also but they were out of stock, so I just went with the Dunlops, and no regrets there. Will be replacing them with more Dunlops when the time comes.

[EVILUTION]

I may consider moving to the RPF1 17x9.5 +38 in order to get max benefit from the 255 tire. I would need extended studs and a 20mm spacer up front and possibly a 3mm spacer in the rear but the wheels are light, strong and fairly cheap. I could avoid the spacers by going with a mixed offset like +18 front and +38 rear but then I can't really rotate wheels at the track.

I also considered going with the 18x9.5 and moving to a 275/35/18 tire as that is closest to stock that I could get but after experiencing sticker shock from the price of 18" rubber I stopped shopping!

[Getsideways]

You Wont need a rear spacer if you run those RPF1s in the +38 thats exactly what i run with a 275 and the tire sometimes rub on the lower control arm, not anything you can hear or even see on the tire itself, just a little shiny spot on the control arm.

[DontStopMe]

Just got the wing back on the evo after being re-clear. Also decided not to de-mod it as of now. :)

oh yea, put a new back bumper on it about a month ago too.

[supradjza80]

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=g-Force+R1

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+R-S3

Based on the provided spec sheets it appears the R1 is a wider tire in the 255/40R17 size. Both have the same section width of 10.2" while the R1 has a tread of 10" and the RS-3 has a tread width of 9"

I'd say you should be good to go if R1's worked for YOU in the past.

[shaggy4267]

I also considered going with the 18x9.5 and moving to a 275/35/18 tire as that is closest to stock that I could get but after experiencing sticker shock from the price of 18" rubber I stopped shopping!

This is what made me get the 17X9.5, damn rubbers!

[SgtRauksauff]

finally jacked up the protege and started on replacing the wheel bearing.

You KNOW something's kinda funky when a 20-ton press will flex the knuckle, but the axle itself still won't budge out of the hub. :(

Gonna have to go get my torch from my dad's garage and light a fire under it's feet!

--sarge

[EVILUTION]

Are you going to rip that turbo out or wait till the spring so you can make a pass at a strip? (BTW I'm stuck at work).

I'm gonna port my nine turbo and exhaust manifold over winter then swap them in the spring.

[Deadly_Evolution]

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=g-Force+R1

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+R-S3

Based on the provided spec sheets it appears the R1 is a wider tire in the 255/40R17 size. Both have the same section width of 10.2" while the R1 has a tread of 10" and the RS-3 has a tread width of 9"

I'd say you should be good to go if R1's worked for YOU in the past.

Yep I mentioned all this and everyone has said they are still wider, IDK just the word I got.

[supradjza80]

I have 255/40R17 RS-3's on my 17x9.5" Mk4 supra wheels that I ran on my Mk3. If you want me to measure them in some way I can probably help out, but I doubt the spec sheet lies.

[EVILUTION]

^ I ordered the 255/40/17s tonight. These will be my street tires so unless they are so wide that the rub all the time I'm not too concerned. I can always add a 5mm spacer if needed.

[Dizmm]

I think you will be pleases with the grip evil. post some specs/info up about your new suspension.

[EVILUTION]

Nothing special, I lowballed this guy:
http://m.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=579940

[Dizmm]

those look like a good deal.

[EVILUTION]

Well they're no Ohlins but they will just have to do until I decide if I want more.

If these suck, and they might, I'll just get Ohlins from my military friendly source. I can get DFV R/T's for $2800 and used they will sell for $2500 all day long so I may just take the $300 hit and go big again.

[Dizmm]

Well they're no Ohlins but they will just have to do until I decide if I want more.

If these suck, and they might, I'll just get Ohlins from my military friendly source. I can get DFV R/T's for $2800 and used they will sell for $2500 all day long so I may just take the $300 hit and go big again.

the R/T's are non-adjustable height btw. I know you're a girl about how the car looks.

[EVILUTION]

They are adjustable. Same as previous DFVs.

[Scrad]

I got my winter tires mounted on my beater car thanks to Jesse at HLM. Then I came home and put the winters on the subaru and changed out the stoptech brake pads for the stockers. So I'm ready for the snow and ice.

[grocerygetter]

hmmmmm.....


http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn24/lsxmalibu/build.jpg

[SgtRauksauff]

twin turbo possibilities?

:)

[EVILUTION]

Stance coilovers and Whiteline roll center kit arrived today! MAP price matched and quickly shipped them.

[Extremedsm]

And now they get to sit around all winter.

[EVILUTION]

Not really. I would install the shit this weekend but I have reserves.

[Ryans13]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/302284_10150459880566329_615541328_10708201_100765 970_n.jpg

[TomKat]

OK. Explain the photo Ryan.

[Pointdsm]

Loving the new wheel/tire combo I have now on the E46. Over the winter I am gathering parts to perform a complete refresher on ALL the bushings on the car, as well as a nice set of Bilstein's that are laying in my garage. I love the comfort in driving this car, so making the ride any rougher would be a step in the wrong direction.

New window tint courtesy of Sign Pro will also be done over the winter (as weather permits).

Looking to get a kart over the winter as I don't have room to store a race-only vehicle as of yet.

[Scrad]

Get ahold of me when you start looking. I might have an extra chassis to sell.

[Ryans13]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/375284_10150503080126329_615541328_10846937_136887 2274_n.jpgits my winter project

OK. Explain the photo Ryan.

[Ryans13]

It has a long way to go, mock up empty block in it, and old radiator in it, im trying to get a used C&R radiator for it but havnt had good ebay luck, A friend that ran the priate car last year bought the real engine for it, a LS2, and he has helped with some of the other costs, otherwise this would be a 2-3 year project rather than a winter project.
CTS-V/Evo brake up front, alot of metal work has to be done still, i had to make a new trans tunnel for it, and i have to repair some rust yet. I m building it like the Dai Yoshihara drift/time attack/every thing car.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/374279_10150503080536329_615541328_10846941_453907 121_n.jpg

http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles/articletype/articleview/articleid/1872/an-early-look-at-dai-yoshiharas-2011-formula-d-ride.aspx (http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles/articletype/articleview/articleid/1872/an-early-look-at-dai-yoshiharas-2011-formula-d-ride.aspx)

[snoxracer183]

Stage 1 of the new soon to be released RallyBar.com Rally Light Bar

Application: 2008+ STI, 2011+ WRX

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/snoxracer183/2011%20Subaru%20WRX/2011%20WRX%20Rally%20Light%20Bar/RALLY_LIGHT_BAR.jpg

combination of 2 common designs
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/snoxracer183/2011%20Subaru%20WRX/2011%20WRX%20Rally%20Light%20Bar/DSCN7261.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/snoxracer183/2011%20Subaru%20WRX/2011%20WRX%20Rally%20Light%20Bar/RIcustom.jpg

[Dizmm]

ha nice. where are the mounting points?

[snoxracer183]

ha nice. where are the mounting points?

TBD

One set under and one set through the grill area to the chassis

[snoxracer183]

Now with accurate dimensions! Measuring for the mounting information tonight when I get home from work.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/snoxracer183/2011%20Subaru%20WRX/2011%20WRX%20Rally%20Light%20Bar/01-RALLY_LIGHT_BAR_iso.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/snoxracer183/2011%20Subaru%20WRX/2011%20WRX%20Rally%20Light%20Bar/01-RALLY_LIGHT_BAR_front.jpg

[Deadly_Evolution]

What software are you using?

[snoxracer183]

What software are you using?

Old shitty one. Autodesk Inventor 2009. We are getting Inventor 2012 in about a month. I can't wait. I'll have technology back from Solidworks '07 finally!

We sat through a presentation for the new 2012 Inventor a few weeks ago, and all their "new features" are all stuff Solidworks could do 5 years ago lol.

[VPT]

Looks like solidworks to me.

[snoxracer183]

VPT how much would charge me to just do the welding. All parts pre-cut and bent...

[Scrad]

Where does the top bar mount to? I'd be afraid of hitting something and poking a hole in the radiator.

Otherwise it looks cool.

[devlish]

Where does the top bar mount to? I'd be afraid of hitting something and poking a hole in the radiator.

Otherwise it looks cool.

what he said ^^

[snoxracer183]

I am making 12ga steel drop brackets that mount to the front of radiator support. I measured up most of the mounting points last night, so I am going to update the model with all that information sometime today.

[SgtRauksauff]

I like the later versions of solidworks with the fluid flow simulations and the mechanical animation it can do. That's some pretty darned neat stuff!!!

[VPT]

VPT how much would charge me to just do the welding. All parts pre-cut and bent...



Is every bend a separate section totaling 22 welds or will the sections be bigger with multiple bends totaling 6 welds?

[snoxracer183]

Is every bend a separate section totaling 22 welds or will the sections be bigger with multiple bends totaling 6 welds?

There will be 8 total welds

Update: Now with mounting figured out. Top tubing will slide into the bracket bolted to the radiator support beam. That will then be held with a set screw to keep it from vibrating/wiggling. Bottom mounts directly to the bottom of the car.

I do not intend for this to act like a badass-bash anything bar. I just want the mounting to be sturdy and not move. This is for protection against an occasional snowbank I might slide into ice racing.

The plan is for the bottom two lights to be a more broad "driving light" (Hella 500 shown) and then I want to mount 2 smaller pencil beam lights to the top bar. I just want to be brighter than Dizmm

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/snoxracer183/2011%20Subaru%20WRX/2011%20WRX%20Rally%20Light%20Bar/02-RALLY_LIGHT_BAR-iso.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/snoxracer183/2011%20Subaru%20WRX/2011%20WRX%20Rally%20Light%20Bar/02-RALLY_LIGHT_BAR_front.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/snoxracer183/2011%20Subaru%20WRX/2011%20WRX%20Rally%20Light%20Bar/02-RALLY_LIGHT_BAR_right.jpg

[snoxracer183]

and the RallyBar.com Classic style

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/snoxracer183/2011%20Subaru%20WRX/2011%20WRX%20Rally%20Light%20Bar/02-RALLY_LIGHT_BAR_classic.jpg

[TomKat]

If you want a braod beam of light I'd go with the Hella 500 fog lamps.

Pencil beam lights are usually bigger because they have to be. Heavily dependant on a deep dish reflector to channel the light in a straight beam.

[Dizmm]

very nice lets get this into production!

[paulmeisterpk]

I like the later versions of solidworks with the fluid flow simulations and the mechanical animation it can do. That's some pretty darned neat stuff!!!

Back when we had both Solidworks and Inventor at UWP, I hated inventor with a passion. I stick with SW.

[SgtRauksauff]

From years of farming and using machinery with similarly mounted connections, instead of using a setscrew at the top, I'd recommend a small pin with a spring-lock on it:
https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSArHGg8Q6YyDvvkr9zgaFj0JN6ql4ca mW0U2RjHWh3SwosA9kmrA

With only using 12ga plates on the top, I'm pretty sure that you'll have yourself a pretty floppy light bar when it's actually used.

[snoxracer183]

Using something like that would make the top mount non-adjustable. Not sure my measurements are exact enough for that. I guess the hole can always be drilled with it on the car but that would be a bitch. Drilling into a round tube sucks.

More accurate top mounting points now. Re-measured last night. The 12ga (thickness TBD yet) is now much smaller (1.25 less "hang down") which will have MUCH less deflection acording to this crappy ass FEA program I used.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/snoxracer183/2011%20Subaru%20WRX/2011%20WRX%20Rally%20Light%20Bar/03-RALLY_LIGHT_BAR_iso.jpg

[supradjza80]

I have never used Inventor, but if people want Solidworks 2008, with Cosmosworks I have a copy which works great, however it will not work on Windows 7 but works on XP and Vista. Even with Professional/Premium Windows 7 it does not work.

Looks pretty good Eric, hope it fits for you. I think I am going to purchase some Hella 500's to bumper mount on my Audi.

[SgtRauksauff]

how accurate is the radiator support model? What if, instead of having the 12ga flange with a socket for the tubing, you somehow run the tubing to the bottom of the support, and have a captive nut in the tubing, so then it's just a single bolt through the support to the tubing?

it would need another bend in the tubing, and bring the horizontal through-grille part a bit lower. which could be a good point to actually make a (shielded from snow/salt/dirt) mounting plate for the ballasts, which would dual duty as structural reinforcement of the tubes?

instead of a bend, it could be a welded joint with no bend.

--sarge

[DoWork]

Just a thought, but, have you considered maybe extending the lower stays/mounts to maybe the crossmember that houses the steering rack?

I ask because then you could integrate a skidplate into the design too. That subframe is MUCH stronger than the big U shaped thing upfront, so the bar would resist more impact(god forbid you need it), and a dedicated skid plate mount is much stronger than just mounting it to the usual mounting points used on the Impreza.

Heres a pic:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-KKVcBQADk1I/TtW-cKzqqEI/AAAAAAAAB4s/R3Vgiw7XDwQ/s912/009.jpg



I cant find a pic to describe exactly what I am talking about, but I am sure you get the idea.

Just a thought :)

[devlish]

Winter Mods:
GLH- clean engine bay. it's running good now. needs tuning in the spring, but should be driving next summer for sure.

WRX- get on snow tires, and hit a few events. figure out why it's a few psi lower than target boost. otherwise, running very good! get some TINT on it sometime soon too i hope!

ZX6R- sprocket/chain kit. -1 tooth up front, new gold chain. retune PC-III

JEEP- i had VPT working on a skid plate for the Jeep yesterday. turned out to be smaller than originally planned, but it would have been gaudier looking than i would have wanted had he made it where i originally thought i did.... its more of a snow-blocker now to keep snow from collecting in the plastics below the radiator... and it's barely noticeable, which is also good for me! i like it. thanks again VPT. i still might want something bulkier, but i'll look around and see how they look and send you pics before i bring it over again

FOCUS- snow tires, oil change, continue to drive it!! perhaps a new front bumper (again) next spring from me taking out a snow bank (again) last winter.

[DoWork]

WRX- get on snow tires, and hit a few events. figure out why it's a few psi lower than target boost. otherwise, running very good! get some TINT on it sometime soon too i hope!


Check tension on the WG arm.....

[EVILUTION]

Are you sure your boost gauge is accurate?

[VPT]

JEEP- i had VPT working on a skid plate for the Jeep yesterday. turned out to be smaller than originally planned, but it would have been gaudier looking than i would have wanted had he made it where i originally thought i did.... its more of a snow-blocker now to keep snow from collecting in the plastics below the radiator... and it's barely noticeable, which is also good for me! i like it. thanks again VPT. i still might want something bulkier, but i'll look around and see how they look and send you pics before i bring it over again




I was curious what you thought. Like I said we can make the bigger one if you like, I just thought it was to goofy looking when I held the material up there. If we go under the differential housing I would like to make a steel frame and then attach the aluminum diamond plate.

You take any pics?

[EVILUTION]

The RS3 tires showed up tonight and those SOB's are wide! They measure in at 10.25"!

Some people are saying the RS3 is faster then the NT01.

[supradjza80]

The RS3 tires showed up tonight and those SOB's are wide! They measure in at 10.25"!

Some people are saying the RS3 is faster then the NT01.

Where are you measuring them @ the tread or at the bead?

[SgtRauksauff]

Just a thought, but, have you considered maybe extending the lower stays/mounts to maybe the crossmember that houses the steering rack?

I ask because then you could integrate a skidplate into the design too. That subframe is MUCH stronger than the big U shaped thing upfront, so the bar would resist more impact(god forbid you need it), and a dedicated skid plate mount is much stronger than just mounting it to the usual mounting points used on the Impreza.

Heres a pic:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-KKVcBQADk1I/TtW-cKzqqEI/AAAAAAAAB4s/R3Vgiw7XDwQ/s912/009.jpg



I cant find a pic to describe exactly what I am talking about, but I am sure you get the idea.

Just a thought :)

how about making a tubular front subframe right away as well? stronger and lighter than the stamped OEM pieces......

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll25/SteelSolutions/390174_266577140060055_202012099849893_846769_2000 470047_n.jpg

[EVILUTION]

Measured at the tread. If from the bead it would be more like 15" wide!

[Deadly_Evolution]

Are you being sarcastic?

[supradjza80]

I think he has to be sarcastic. I have them mounted and do not believe the width is even close to his numbers. Mine mounted on 9.5" wheels are only 9.25-9.5" at the tread. Cant measure the bead because they are mounted, but can assume it is ~9.5" as mounted.

[DoWork]

how about making a tubular front subframe right away as well? stronger and lighter than the stamped OEM pieces......



Didnt figure he wanted to go that far....but it sure would be badass!

[EVILUTION]

http://i43.tinypic.com/11bhymx.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/iv8i0l.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2w4egqp.jpg

[Shane]

Damn them are some nice big RS3's!! Jealous

[Getsideways]

Those look too wide for you Jeffro, ill trade you for 7 star specs and some cash ;)

[shaggy4267]

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+R-S3&partnum=54WR7Z222XL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

Most likely the tire I will be running next year too...

[Dizmm]

nice tires. I still cant figure out what to run.

[EVILUTION]

I'm still thinking I will buy a set of R-comp track tires ... probably NT01s as they seem to wear better than most other R-comps.

I'd really like to get a dedicated 17x9 track wheel as well but haven't found anything for less than $2000 that I actually like.

If I can find a set of used ADVAN RGII I'll purchase them.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/attachments/southeast-region/166856d1300026507-raleigh-durham-triangle-area-meet-leftfront2.jpg

[Shane]

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+R-S3&partnum=54WR7Z222XL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

Most likely the tire I will be running next year too...

Those are what I've been looking at for next year running street tire stuff. Star specs are prolly a bit nicer but these are just so much cheaper!

[supradjza80]

I also have not determined what tires I am going to run next summer. I still have ~30% worn RS3's for my 92 but I am thinking I am going to purchase Sumitomo HTRZ-III's for my white car. They should last a bit longer so I can save up for a little bit better wheel package for the car. The current wheel offset limits the front width to only 245's without hitting the fender and 18" tires are stupidly expensive~1k$ for NT05's in my sizes.

Evil - I agree that the tire section width is over 10" but if you measure the tread surface only I think it should measure ~9.25-9.5" Yours measure out just like mine do for section width though. Are you putting these on a 8" wheel?

[EVILUTION]

Well if I can't find a 17x9 wheel then yes they will be going on my factory BBS wheels.

I've run 10.5" wide wheels on them before with only slight polishing of the rear trailing arm.

[DoWork]

"Winter" mods on the WRX are almost complete. Did some more tuning tonight. Its turning out really well. We lost a lot of power on the big end, but its a torquey little shit down low. I have high hopes for the car on tight courses now as it almost behaves like an NA car. I am really hoping this forces/helps me to learn to drive the car, instead of using power to make up for my mistakes.

If anyone cares, we ditched the VF43 in favor of a stock TD04, and also got rid of the external wastegate. We are now running an equal length header, and a hybrid electronic/manual boost control system. In hindsight, I wish that I would have gone with a TD04/19T, or maybe a 8cm 16G, but maybe this spring I will do that. This setup should work fine this winter.

[Dizmm]

the stock turbo on a 2.5L, tuned and with that Equal Length header should be instant spool. Sounds like a good setup.

Evil, are you looking for new or used 17x9's?

[DoWork]

the stock turbo on a 2.5L, tuned and with that Equal Length header should be instant spool. Sounds like a good setup.


Yup, like I said, the car feels almost like an NA car. Lag is very little if any.

[EVILUTION]

Dizmm either new or used.

[devlish]

Are you sure your boost gauge is accurate?

Check tension on the WG arm.....

Evil..
No not entirely. Gonna check the.line for leaks and the connection this week.

Tightened the wg once already a full turn with no change. Not sure how much more I shouldtighten it

[DoWork]

Just be sure there isnt any play in it.

Try removing the boost control solenoid and jump some 12v power to it. It should click. You may also consider cleaning it with some electronic parts cleaner.

Has the car ever had a different turbo on it? If so, check to be sure that the vac pill is in the vacuum line coming off the compressor nipple. The size of the vac T also had some impact on boost levels on the 16bit ECU. The larger the T, the more boost it ran.

The other thing is you may try doing a boost leak test on the car.

Does it pull smooth, or does it buck and act stupid? When and if you boost leak test it, be sure to check over the inlet pipe that runs under the manifold. The factory plastic thing is prone to cracking over the years.

[EVILUTION]

I think I'm going to order a set of TC105 Weds.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/troysrikok/ccd869bf.jpg

[devlish]

Just be sure there isnt any play in it.

Try removing the boost control solenoid and jump some 12v power to it. It should click. You may also consider cleaning it with some electronic parts cleaner.

Has the car ever had a different turbo on it? If so, check to be sure that the vac pill is in the vacuum line coming off the compressor nipple. The size of the vac T also had some impact on boost levels on the 16bit ECU. The larger the T, the more boost it ran.

The other thing is you may try doing a boost leak test on the car.

Does it pull smooth, or does it buck and act stupid? When and if you boost leak test it, be sure to check over the inlet pipe that runs under the manifold. The factory plastic thing is prone to cracking over the years.

thanks, will check these things.

car runs like a champ! but only goes to 10psi in first, then to 15psi in 2,3,4 gears. pulls nice and smooth. no complaints about how it runs at all, just curious as to why it should be at 18psi, and is only at 10psi (when i spoke on the phone to COBB, they said 1st gear being lower boost is normal, fyi)

[Getsideways]

I think I'm going to order a set of TC105 Weds.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/troysrikok/ccd869bf.jpg

Gorgeous rim

[Deadly_Evolution]

^Yep I've been drooling over those and the SA-70's

[DoWork]

thanks, will check these things.

car runs like a champ! but only goes to 10psi in first, then to 15psi in 2,3,4 gears. pulls nice and smooth. no complaints about how it runs at all, just curious as to why it should be at 18psi, and is only at 10psi (when i spoke on the phone to COBB, they said 1st gear being lower boost is normal, fyi)

Oh, this brings about a whole slew of questions.

I wasnt aware that you had a "tune". Do you have an AccessPort? If so, which map are you using? What are the mods on the car?

The reason I ask, is because if you have a V2 AccessPort, You can download Cobb Access Tuner Race for free via an email link from them. It allows you to tune/log the car much like an OS tune, but you can still switch maps with the AP handheld. A good log may shed some light on this for you too.

Now, if the car is tuned, your issue MAY NOT be mechanical at all. What downpipe is on the car? Is the up pipe stock or not? I have seen issues in the past with downpipes(esp HKS) and/or the lack of an aftermarket uppipe have caused cars to miss target boost. In this case, I would try switching to the high wastegate duty cycle map. There used to be a low version too, but I can find it anymore.

[devlish]

I have the AccessPort V2.
running the Stage 2 map with the HD wastegate map (for cars NOT reaching target boost)

i was going to check a few things first, then log it and send it to COBB to see what they think...

[DoWork]

Ok, sounds good man. Just trying to help :)

[devlish]

i appreciate it!!! i can do the work portion, it's the trouble shooting i hate! and it seems you know what your talking about, and that gives me a lot of good places to start looking. thanks again! i'll keep you posted

[DoWork]

Meh, I know my share, but I dont know everything. I had a similar issue with my car back when it was stock(ish), and I ended up switching vac pills. Keep me posted and I will help out where I can.

[EVILUTION]

Make sure that you aren't teeing vacuum lines responsible for boost control. That often results in inconsistent results.

[DoWork]

Subaru T's them from the factory. Let me find a pic.....

http://www.cobbtuning.com/images_products/SubaruBoostSystem_1.jpg

If it were ME, I would ditch the T, and the restrictor pill, and all that happy shit, and switch to a 3 port EBCS instead of the Subaru 2 port, but you would need a custom tune done at that point. A Cobb OTS map like the stage 2 one will not support it. You can, however, modify the boost mapping via Access Tuner Race to work with the 3 port. You will see earlier boost, and MUCH better boost control. If you wanted to go that way, I have a GM 3 port here you can have. Its still a 2 wire hookup, but you dont get a nice plug like the more expensive options, like the Grimmspeed one. It would also still retain many oe features like boost taper twards redline, different boost levels per gear(not sure if thats present on the 16bit cars), etc.

[snoxracer183]

I hope to get this setup for xmas (Boost and Oil Temp)

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/193/sipod9thupload017.jpg

[DoWork]

I like that^

[Getsideways]

With some help this and a few other items will be in my car by early spring

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb334/getsideways87/IMG_0611.jpg
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb334/getsideways87/IMG_0612.jpg

[Dizmm]

^ post up the details!

[Shane]

Built short block from MAP I'm guessing? SWEET! 600hp now? :)

[Getsideways]

That picture is a factory 2.4 actually but i wanted before and after shots ;) Ill start a build thread and update it with pics of everything.
I should be at MAP in the next couple weeks so if anyone needs large items and doesnt wanna ship them i could save you some dough!

[Draven8795]

I hope to get this setup for xmas (Boost and Oil Temp)

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/193/sipod9thupload017.jpg


Are you going to mount that way up high like that?

[snoxracer183]

Are you going to mount that way up high like that?

Yes, they are designed to go there. It is just like looking out at the rear view mirror so you don't have to take your eyes off the road/track

[Deadly_Evolution]

What gauges are those...Brand. I've seen them before but can't recall.

[Getsideways]

They look like a DEFI knockoff to me.

[supradjza80]

They are Prosport Gauges.

http://prosportgauges.com/

[Shane]

They look like a DEFI knockoff to me.


Yea i was thinkin the same thing, they look pretty close to my DEFI's with the warning/peak light and all.

[snoxracer183]

Yup, Prosport.

Defi $1000 setup
Prosport $150 setup

I'm willing to take the risk of these going bad before I spend Defi price on gauges...

[VPT]

Gauges are rice. Only gauge I need in anything is a tach.

[Shane]

Wow that's quite the price difference! Sure glad my car came with them as I'd never spend that much either! Do those prosports come with a control box or is it all internal per gauge as it looks to have a programmable/recordable warning/peak light like my defi's

[Deadly_Evolution]

Gauges are rice. Only gauge I need in anything is a tach.

Wideband! Because I can't pull my plugs out while driving on track or during a 7800 rpm 3rd gear pull.

[05Saab]

After driving a vehicle a few times, a tach isn't even really needed. Although if there's no speedometer, a tach would be the only nessicary gauge then. Or, just keep up with traffic and dont get caught lol

[snoxracer183]

Wow that's quite the price difference! Sure glad my car came with them as I'd never spend that much either! Do those prosports come with a control box or is it all internal per gauge as it looks to have a programmable/recordable warning/peak light like my defi's

Each gauge has it's own controller built in. No need to wire in that extra control box like the Defi's. All the functions are performed by different variations pushing the button on the gauge.

When Prosport first came out (2007-8), they had a string of faulty sensors. In 2010 they switched all electronic sensors to Motorolla brand stuff instead of knockoff chinese shit so the quality and longevity has increased a lot. All research I've done has also mentioned tremendous customer service if there are issues so that always makes me more willing to buy a companies products as well.