Oct. 9th event at USAIR, 3-Lap AutoX.

[TomKat]

Update (10-03-2011):

Well I only have 2 people pre-reg'd for the lapping day. We are going to call an audible as insurance alone is $1200. I dont foresee us getting many more pre-reg's to pay for the event.

Instead we are going to do an autoX event. AutoX events are MUCH cheaper to insure. but this wont be like any normal autoX at USAIR. It will be a 3 full lap auto-x, timed, no cones, and you will be on track by yourself.

The cost will be $35members, $45non members.

Registration will be from 9am - 10am

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We scheduled it as a lapping day, but with the cost of insuring lapping days having tripled it's not likely we would get enough of a turnout to stay in the black.

Some options:

-autocross

-multiple lap autocross

-transponder style HPDE

-try to get enough people for a lapping day

Any other ideas?

[05Saab]

Whatever happens, I think it needs a "special event" sometime. Those always are fun

[snoxracer183]

transpoder style HPDE? where would we get those from? I like that idea...

[rsxkid]

I think it'd be cool to set up a really long course, then divide it into many smaller sections with one heat per section. Because each course is so small you could have only 2-4 people working and everyone else driving so you'd move through each "sub course" quickly throughout the day even with 5-6 runs per heat because it'd be short. Really learn where you're slow/fast compared to others, then find out what they do right/wrong.

Just a thought/way around not having multiple eyes to tell you where your fast/slow during one long course.

[rsxkid]

Multiple lap autocross sounds cool too

[05Saab]

Or do a large course, where you use the transitions as well. It would be a 1 car on track at a time thing most likely, but it'd make things interesting

[EVILUTION]

Lapping day. Ill go.

Why are lapping days more expensive to insure?

[shaggy4267]

REVERSE lapday. I will be there any which way it goes.

Reserse direction that is....

[99Cobra]

Higher speeds. Above 70 you can't classify it,as a autox. My stock junk hits 70+ on the back stretch of usair.

[TomKat]

Why are lapping days more expensive to insure?

6 times more expensive. Not sure why, but yeah speeds at an autocross aren't supposed to exceed 70mph.

[mrslysly]

Do online preregistration with full payment. If you can't get enough cancel and refund. State the minimum required registered for the event to happen on the preregistration form with the terms.

[shaggy4267]

^ +1

If there are not enough car then make it an autocross.

[supradjza80]

I like the idea of a longer Autocross or just a regular Autocross.

[TomKat]

Do online preregistration with full payment. If you can't get enough cancel and refund. State the minimum required registered for the event to happen on the preregistration form with the terms.

This has been done in the past with bad results. Very few people will pre-register and commit for an event that could be canceled.

[shaggy4267]

Just make it an Autocross

[TomKat]

Just make it an Autocross

No. We have to discuss a bunch of crazy options then get all pissed off at each other and say a bunch of mean stuff we don't mean.

Then we can do just an autocross.

[plainrt]

demo derby?

[EVILUTION]

Well let me know what it's gonna be. I'd say if it were advertised as a lapping day it should be a lapping day. Worst case, the club loses a little money. Big deal it has plenty.

[TomKat]

Well let me know what it's gonna be. I'd say if it were advertised as a lapping day it should be a lapping day. Worst case, the club loses a little money. Big deal it has plenty.

It's not the club losing money. It's about the track not letting us do any more events because of poor turnouts.

Besides you are thinking about FVSCC having plent of money. That they do.

CWSCC is new and is hardly flush with cash. This year we are barely breaking even, but that's OK this car club stuff isn't about making money.

[EVILUTION]

Okay. I'm catching your drift. It seems odd that the track would rather you not run an event than run one regardless of the turn out. I'll try to make whatever event it turns into because I want to kill those hoosiers.

[TomKat]

An autocross will still bring the track some $$$ if the turnout is smaller.

I want to kill my Hoosiers also.

[jolivergraham]

I prefer lapping days, because they're less hard on my car, and I'm not a very good driver. That said, I just enjoy the lapping a bit more.

Just my $0.02.

[EDIT]: If the autocross is set up like the video below, it looks like a lot of fun and I would try to participate!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onJUDcafYzQ&feature=related

[DirtyBird]

How about throwing some slaloms in the straights, and doing a time attack with transponders.

[TomKat]

I prefer lapping days, because they're less hard on my car

Um. Lapping days are a lot harder on the car.

[TomKat]

How about throwing some slaloms in the straights, and doing a time attack with transponders.

If you read the first post this is one of the options. We're looking in to transponders, but it will add to the cost of the event.

[ZXTUNER]

just dont leave them behind when the cops come

[KARKRAFT]

If I wasn't working that day, I would vote transponder...

[06evo9se]

had a great turnout last time, would love to do a lapping day again, i can get the waupun guys and madison guys to come up again?

[Getsideways]

Yeah sam should probably drive his M3 this time! Or just let me drive it all day ;)

[EVILUTION]

Why do you think lapping day turn out will be lower than autox?

[Dizmm]

Why do you think lapping day turn out will be lower than autox?

We need 3X the turnout for a lapping day to break even.

AutoX insurance is $200
Lapping day is $1200.

Keep in mind this is only insurance, we need to make the track money too.

[Deadly_Evolution]

Higher speeds. Above 70 you can't classify it,as a autox. My stock junk hits 70+ on the back stretch of usair.

Your speedo off by a good amount?

[Deadly_Evolution]

Pretty sure I'm game either way also, just need to pick up some tires.

[TomKat]

Why do you think lapping day turn out will be lower than autox?

Past experience. Late in the year events don't draw as many people.

[TomKat]

had a great turnout last time, would love to do a lapping day again, i can get the waupun guys and madison guys to come up again?

How many would that be?

[Ryans13]

Well alot of doubt what this will be, when you guys going to know? if its a lapping day i d hang around but i got a request to crew for Brian out the XDC Final in CA. id be gone the 4th through 11th riding with the Rig to Irewindale Speedway. He needs to know ASAP if i can go or not.

[Dizmm]

I too want another lapping day.

[Gruv]

I too want another lapping day.

Ditto. Had a blast last time.

[Dizmm]

Ok, lapping day it is.

Show your support by pre-registering for the event!
http://www.cwscc.com/registration.php

[Shane]

Lappying day sounds great to me! I'm game! HOPEFULLY the STi will be done so i can take a coulpe gentle laps in it, otherwise im gonna KILL some tires on the 240 before i put it away for the year.

[Ryans13]

F^&*^*(&(*(*K! now i have to try to get out of crewing.......I did kinda want to go to Cali, if BP can find another guy i ll go to lapping day, if he cant i ll be headed to cali, but i ll try to Whore my car out.......

[drewbird91]

I'm thinking I will come up for the morning session....

[asianzt]

I assume the date on the registration page is incorrect?

[TomKat]

I assume the date on the registration page is incorrect?

Yes the date is incorrect. Dizmm will have to take care of that.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[rsxkid]

I'm still on the fence about this. Shawano is pretty far from Eau Claire.. and my tires are in Point... and my front two tires would probably be nearly corded after this.. and Shawano frustrates me.. big decisions.

[Getsideways]

I have 3 230\40\17 slicks if those would help ya

[Hoodpin1]

Im gonna be driving at the LeMons race at Autobahn in the shark tooth E30 or else id be there for this. I just cleaned off the Conti rubber out of my quarters, why not add some more. I love lapping days!!!!

[Dizmm]

Well I only have 2 people pre-reg'd. We are going to call an audible as insurance alone is $1200. I dont foresee us getting many more pre-reg's to pay for the event.

Instead we are going to do an autoX event. AutoX events are MUCH cheaper to insure. but this wont be like any normal autoX at USAIR. It will be a 3 full lap auto-x, timed, no cones, and you will be on track by yourself.

The cost will be $35members, $45non members.

Registration will be from 9am - 10am

[Draven8795]

Well I only have 2 people pre-reg'd. We are going to call an audible as insurance alone is $1200. I dont foresee us getting many more pre-reg's to pay for the event.

Instead we are going to do an autoX event. AutoX events are MUCH cheaper to insure. but this wont be like any normal autoX at USAIR. It will be a 3 full lap auto-x, timed, no cones, and you will be on track by yourself.

The cost will be $35members, $45non members.

Registration will be from 9am - 10am


How can you get away with no cones?

[TomKat]

There will be cones to keep cars on the track. Two wheels off will be a DNF.

[Draven8795]

I meant in the straights.

Anyways how low do you guys typically run your carbotechs before replacing?

[TomKat]

I'd take the pads out to inspect them. They wear unevenly on my car.

I run them until they are close to the rivets.

[EVILUTION]

I had planned on attending the afternoon lapping session. Due to this venue change I will not be able to participate in the autox event. If anyone wants to run my Hoosiers ill let them go for $75. I'll even let you use the rims they are on. Let me know.

[Dizmm]

I had no pre-registration for a Jeff Jeske. If we would have had maybe 8-10 pre-reg'ed I'd say lets just keep it a lapping day. The club cannot really afford a $1000 hit.

I think most will like the 3 lap autox time attack style event. its cheap, better than a normal autoX, and will get a good amount of track time.

[EVILUTION]

I'm sure the event will be a big success and I wish you good weather. I would go but have to work in the morning thus the conflict. I do thank you for attempting a lapping day. Its unfortunate that insurance has gone up so much.

[Gruv]

I'm coming no matter what you call it. How much track time do you think we'll get then? Just 3 laps, cold? Or do we get to do some warm up laps?

Also, is it an AM/PM thing like the lapping days?

[Dizmm]

its all day. Track time will depend on the turnout. so far the turnout doesnt look huge. You'll get more than 3 laps thats for sure.

[99Cobra]

Hopefully my A6s hold out.

[TomKat]

No transponders at USAIR which puts a damper on this event.

We'll figure something out.

[Draven8795]

Was the plan to have multiple cars out on the track at once then?

[Dizmm]

We will make due with our own timing system.

[Shane]

I will be there to help out with whatever needs helping! Only tires I really have left are on the subi so not sure if ill be racing

[Draven8795]

We will make due with our own timing system.

I know I wasn't at brainerd this year but last year we did fine with warm up lap and a timed lap.

I should be in.

[Evilatom]

Instead we are going to do an autoX event. AutoX events are MUCH cheaper to insure. but this wont be like any normal autoX at USAIR. It will be a 3 full lap auto-x, timed, no cones, and you will be on track by yourself.

Then why not take it a step further and make it a ten lap, bring a transponder/timer if timing requires it, and have multiple cars on the track?

What's the differentiator for the insurance costs? The multiple cars at a time part?

[EVILUTION]

I'd do something similar to what BHF's does. Call it an autox but have a couple hours of "practice laps" that precede the one and only timed run that you get at the end of the day!

[abot316]

If Napa or somebody has some new valve seals for me tomorrow, I plan on being there with the Camaro

[Evilatom]

I'd do something similar to what BHF's does. Call it an autox but have a couple hours of "practice laps" that precede the one and only timed run that you get at the end of the day!

Damn good idea.

[TomKat]

Then why not take it a step further and make it a ten lap, bring a transponder/timer if timing requires it, and have multiple cars on the track?

What's the differentiator for the insurance costs? The multiple cars at a time part?

The track does not have any transponders for us to use.

Not sure why the lapping day costs $1,000 more than an autocross. I would think it should be cheaper.

[99Cobra]

If Napa or somebody has some new valve seals for me tomorrow, I plan on being there with the Camaro

You better. I want to see how it runs at usair.

[snoxracer183]

Heats 1 and 2 normal direction. Heats 3 and 4 backwards!

[Dizmm]

Lapping day means cars are out in groups with passing. we can have lap practice but no one can pass.

If we had some transponders to rent out or something that would be great.

We can do the HSAX-BHF format but you wont have a real lap time. There is no real pit on/off at USAIR.

[EVILUTION]

Im sure I'm the odd duck but I don't give a crap about my lap time, only track time.

[TomKat]

Im sure I'm the odd duck but I don't give a crap about my lap time, only track time.

You are not an odd duck. There are autocross people and there are lapping day people. Few cross over to both events.

Both events are fun and we wanted to do a lapping day, but not much interest probably because we just had a lapping day at this track.

[supradjza80]

I am excited for the autocross it should be fun. Now I just have to be a good boy at the wedding I am attending in Madison the night before so I can drive home that night and be ready for this.

I had problems the last time on this track with my new supra (wheels rubbing fender liners) and have since changed to larger bump stops and played with the ride height so the wheel should not be able to rub. Before the first runs will we have some time out on track there or can I do a quick lap just to make sure it will not rub out there? The car literally rubbed on the 1st or 2nd corner during the lapping day so it should not take long for me to know if I am ok or not. I will have what I need to raise it if need be.

[TomKat]

We'll be doing practice runs.

[EVILUTION]

I can't believe no one wants to scrub off my Hoosier tires .... Easily worth $75 especially for an evo owner as they won't need to mount or balance!

[supradjza80]

We'll be doing practice runs.

Sounds good, thanks.

[Shane]

Hey Tom I hope your shifting arm is better cause hopefully team brokeSTuffi can give SkaTie a run for ur money haha

[TomKat]

I can shift. Just can't mount tires and I have a truckload of tires that need to be dismounted.

[TomKat]

I can't believe no one wants to scrub off my Hoosier tires .... Easily worth $75 especially for an evo owner as they won't need to mount or balance!

Why don't you scrub them off. Auto x practice early in the morning.

[Evilatom]

Auto x practice early in the morning.

How early? Earlier than the 9am registration?

[EVILUTION]

Why don't you scrub them off. Auto x practice early in the morning.

Because I have to work in the morning from 05:30 till 10:30. Besides you have my brake pads!

[TomKat]

LOL I'll give your brake pads back. Then attend the afternoon fun run/practice session in the afternoon.

EvilAtom - we're still in the discussion stage of the practice session, but it most likely will start at 9am and go to 10:30am.

[snoxracer183]

I can't believe no one wants to scrub off my Hoosier tires .... Easily worth $75 especially for an evo owner as they won't need to mount or balance!

How wide are they? Do they have enough life left in them for a Blackhawk HSAX?

[VPT]

I would do whatever works best for the evo/subi owners.

[99Cobra]

I would do whatever works best for the evo/subi owners.

Well they need all the help they can get.

[TomKat]

How wide are they? Do they have enough life left in them for a Blackhawk HSAX?

Two of Evil's Hoosiers are good enough where they would still have good grip. One of them is just barely starting to cord. You could put that one on the right rear. I'd say they would make it through a HSAX. I could try to save one of mine after this weekend for a backup.

They are 245-45R17.

[Colin255]

I'll be there floatin the boat for some pre-rally shenanigans. :D

[drewbird91]

Alright I'm in, got the all clear. Can I pre-pay? I don't mind if it is a Lapping Day or Auto-x, just let me know. I will paypal and commit if that helps. Did the pre-register get taken down? I was planning on doing the morning session because I need to drive back to Milwaukee.

Tom or Andy, or other more experienced drivers, do you want to drive with me a few times and give me some pointers, I need to improve.

[EVILUTION]

Snowracer... Tom pretty much nailed their description. Let me know if you are interested.

[TomKat]

Tom or Andy, or other more experienced drivers, do you want to drive with me a few times and give me some pointers, I need to improve.

Yes one of us can ride with you. There is no pre-registration. Not sure what time the event will be done, but if you want to do some practice laps get there early. The ending time will depend on turnout.

[snoxracer183]

Snowracer... Tom pretty much nailed their description. Let me know if you are interested.

I will have to see if I can talk someone into letting me borrow some 5x100 17x8 rims. If I can snag a set I will probably take you up on the deal

[TomKat]

Schedule:

8:44am - Pre-registration
8:45am -10am - Registration
10am - 10:15am - Late registration
8:46am - 11am - Tech
9am - 10:30am - Autocross practice
10:40am - Drivers meeting
11:00 - First car out for timed runs

The multiple lap stuff will depend on turnout. If more than 20 people want to participate timing and track limitations will make doing the multiple lap almost impossible. We will do a regular autocross with a change in directions at mid-day. Once the regular event is over we will do multi lap timed runs for fun.

[snoxracer183]

People on track before drivers meeting? Bad idea...

[TomKat]

Every driver will get a briefing before going on track.

[EVILUTION]

I will have to see if I can talk someone into letting me borrow some 5x100 17x8 rims. If I can snag a set I will probably take you up on the deal

Sounds good.

[bm87ta]

should be there with the usual suspects. just replaced the fuel pump and she is running better than ever.

[aarnagel]

i was one of the few pre reg. for the lapping day. and then i got an email telling me there WILL be a 3 lap autocross with no cones, which i agreed to as long as i can turn laps on the track. and now im hearing that the runs will be shorter with cones and a direction change? i need to know the actual plan before i load up my car and drive 3 hours to get there, and i dont wanna drive all the way there to only run 2 laps around the track and have to deal with driving around cones. it would be nice if these things were set in stone instead of wondering how much time ill actually get to run my car to make it worth driving there.

[fronzoos]

Tom if you guys need any help staffing I'll be available. I'll be there early in the am!

[TomKat]

Thanks Fronzoos.

aarnagel - I understand your concern. This schedule is what we will be following:

Schedule:

8:45am -10am - Registration
10am - 10:15am - Late registration
8:46am - 11am - Tech
9am - 10:30am - Autocross practice
10:40am - Drivers meeting
11:00 - First car out for timed runs

I liked the idea of a multiple lap autocross, but at the time we were assuming transponders would be used. Transponders are not available and with our timing equipment doing a multiple lap event would slow runs down to a crawl. You'd get one run every 1.5 hours if 20 people enter the event.

There will be an hour and a half of practice followed by timed runs in the usual direction with no cones. Well no cones on the track - the usual amount of cones will be on the track to keep cars off the grass.

There will be no passing during practice and you will have to stop between laps. Being ready to go at 9am will get you the most practice track time.

[ximportxenx]

My hometown track n can't race but I would so help out if I could get in pits for free:-)

[supradjza80]

Thanks guys for a great event. Good turnout and amazing weather, I like the lapping day track Auto-x as well.

[Dizmm]

anyone have any pics of the white evo?

[DontStopMe]

taken from FB.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/313296_10150347278953518_505328517_7997081_8373797 12_n.jpg

looks like a race car to me.

[Draven8795]

anyone have any pics of the white evo?

Go to bed man. Had to pass you on the way home to make sure you were still awake haha. Then that bastard with the canoe strapped to his roof cut me off good thing I was practicing all day.

[supradjza80]

anyone have any pics of the white evo?

I have a video of it up on Facebook.

Here is my incar from today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J7X6Dlj6m8

[KARKRAFT]

taken from FB.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/313296_10150347278953518_505328517_7997081_8373797 12_n.jpg

looks like a race car to me.

Looks like someone needs to buy a truck to haul that race car around.

I think an 05 powerstroke would be a good truck for that....

[Dizmm]

Go to bed man. Had to pass you on the way home to make sure you were still awake haha. Then that bastard with the canoe strapped to his roof cut me off good thing I was practicing all day.

I dont think they looked at all when they pulled out on hwy66.

[Shane]

I have a video of it up on Facebook.

Here is my incar from today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J7X6Dlj6m8


i love how when you shift into 3rd and get on it on the back stretch it kicks out. damn that thing has power!

[snoxracer183]

Thanks for letting drive the Green Monster Dizmm. I haven't experienced an adreneline rush like that in a long time!

[99Cobra]

The green monster is already breaking records.

[EVILUTION]

I think we need a proper introduction to this monsters and a quick first thoughts about it. How about a new thread!

[Dizmm]

I think we need a proper introduction to this monsters and a quick first thoughts about it. How about a new thread!

ok!

[fronzoos]

I know will kort has a few pics from yesterday on fb as well..

[Draven8795]

Are you uploading the results now? Otherwise there is nothing behind those links.

[Dizmm]

Are you uploading the results now? Otherwise there is nothing behind those links.

sorry, fixed now!

[Draven8795]

Ok now more importantly. When will you have the flying laps up. Or at least tell me what the full seconds were on mine I only remember 72.xxx the suspense is killing me.

[Dizmm]

I will update flying laps in a bit.

@Mike -1:12.64

[Draven8795]

I will update flying laps in a bit.

@Mike -1:12.64


Damnit. To slow. Still fairly impressed with my jump in time though.