EVO8 to EVO9

[EVILUTION]

So the deal is complete. Darth is in the hands of his new owner and I have the 9SE that I've wanted since their release.

I guess I was ment to clobber that curb because things worked out quite well. My only regret is that the Ralliart Xfer case left with the car.

Today I was able to piss pound on both cars back to back. I must say I believe the cammed/tuned EVO8 was faster than the EVO9. I also think the suspension on Darth was much more tame on soft and much more solid on hard. Even though some people claim stock is best I still believe its the middle of the road.

I'm definately happy with the new car. I'm definately happy with both deals.

It's nice have Red Brembos again, a new clutch, tight tranny, and an all around better looking car.

[TurboE30ftw]

congrats...can't wait to see the 9

[TomKat]

Darse

[EVILUTION]

^ I like that. Half Dar-th half Special Edition.

Captains Log:

Installed turbo back exhaust and pimped some races.

Darse has two roll on races: PDSM and Greg in his monster camero.

In both cases Darse pulls ahead but not by much. More boost is needed.

[EVILUTION]

UPDATE:

Now that I've put the advans on and remove the front plate I like the car even more. I've put 200 miles on it this week and it was just a pleasure to drive. I have only two complaints.

1. It still needs a stiffer rear sway bar
2. I hate the EVO9 gearing

I'd also love to lower the car but I already have driveway issues. Maybe next year.

I did some race gas tuning this weekend. I was hoping for Darth like performance out of Darse but it appears MIVEC is not greater than HKS 272s with tuned Cam Gears. There's plenty of power from 3k-5k but after that it kind of fades off. I see HKS recently released a set of MIVEC 272 cams. Depending upon reported results, cams may be a good winter project for me.

I'm considering putting alchy on the car but then there's the option of running straight E85. Replacing C16, E85 is quickly becoming the favorite fuel of the "BIG tuners". All that is needed is a set of injectors about 30% larger than stock. E85 is basically race fuel and achly injection combined. I'm leaning towards picking up a set of 750cc injectors from the DSM forums and giving this a try.

Lastly I had the car listed forsale but I didn't get any serious bites so I registered the car today. Now that its insured, registered, and ready to rock and roll I'm thinking about taking a road trip. Check back for more updates as I'm going to use this thread as Darse's biography.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

if you would like, I have a set of 1000cc injectors.

[EVILUTION]

^^ I wouldn't mind a try before you buy kind of deal. I'm not sure I can even tune 1000cc injectors on the stock ECU.

What kind of injectors are they?
How many miles on them?
How much?

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

^^ I wouldn't mind a try before you buy kind of deal. I'm not sure I can even tune 1000cc injectors on the stock ECU.

What kind of injectors are they?
How many miles on them?
How much?

whats up with all the questions??? damm.

[Stash]

^^ I wouldn't mind a try before you buy kind of deal. I'm not sure I can even tune 1000cc injectors on the stock ECU.

What kind of injectors are they?
How many miles on them?
How much?

I have some FIC 850cc with less than 2k. Try before buy is welcome.

[turbo chick]

Those 850cc injectors might have actually been Evil's before Matt owned them... I'm not sure...

[EVILUTION]

^^^ LOL... thats funny. If those came from Matt yep they were mine once.

I have decided to stick with pump gas spiked with some 110 every now and then.

Too much work to run E85.

[EVILUTION]

Rear Sway Bar: Installed

Car seems to stay a little flatter now. Hope giving up a little rear grip will help with the understeering issue.

[TomKat]

A performance alignment would help out with the understeer issue. No need for a rear bar.

[TSi_II]

A performance alignment can't compensate for a rear sway bar.

[EVILUTION]

I like the feel of the rear bar. I like my car flat.

[TomKat]

A performance alignment can't compensate for a rear sway bar.

Um yeah. And how many cars have you tuned for handling?

My EVO has no understeer issues and the rear sway bar is stock.

So Evil. Maybe you can explain to us why a flatter car will corner faster.

[TSi_II]

So you're telling me that you can dial in an alignment that will make the car act exactly the same as if it had an aftermarket rear sway bar? If that were the case I don't think so many people would have them. I just find it hard to believe how gung-ho you always are on "stock > modified."

[Pointdsm]

He can make a car handle better without the cost of buying a rear bar. You could now direct the money elsewhere instead of buying the bar.
An alignment will make the car handle great, the bar would be a small increase in performance after a correct alignment, not justifing the costs.

[TomKat]

So you're telling me that you can dial in an alignment that will make the car act exactly the same as if it had an aftermarket rear sway bar? If that were the case I don't think so many people would have them. I just find it hard to believe how gung-ho you always are on "stock > modified."

It will not handle exactly the same, but it would take care of the understeer issue. At Evil's point in the handling game he should be looking at tires and tuning the car with what's adjustable on the car. Then go from there, but with the very few competitive events he goes to each year I don't see why he's messing with a perfectly good car.

[EVILUTION]

So Evil. Maybe you can explain to us why a flatter car will corner faster.

The car has already been aligned so I'm not sure why you are spouting off about that.

I never said it will corner faster.... I said I like it to remain flat. I don't want it to feel like a boat. If its at the expense of rear grip so be it. I like what I like.

If the car was a track slut I would buy R compound tires and race pads.

This is my daily driver and I want enjoy it for daily driving. I kept the RSB from Darth so it was free. I also plan on lowering the car for appearance modification only. I don't car what it does to the handling.

This time around I want a sharp, clean, quick, well kept EVO. I don't want cone marks, brownbos, and wheel gap.

[TSi_II]

I don't doubt in the slightest TK's abilities to fine tune a car's suspension. The only point I misinterpreted was the fact that I thought TK meant that a race alignment could compensate for a rear sway bar. I was mistaken and now see what he meant. I stand corrected-ish.

[EVILUTION]

Tk doesn't tune suspension. He runs expensive sticky tires.

[TSi_II]

Well then I don't doubt his abilities to judge tire stickyness. Either which way, I think stock isn't always best, but to each his own.

[TomKat]

Tk doesn't tune suspension. He runs expensive sticky tires.

Ha ha. If you think that's all it takes.

Zoey has been on the alignment rack many many times. Plus it's been corner weighted. Yes I actually spent the money to have this done.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

Less talkie talkie, MORE RACING

[VPT]

TK and Evil must be up to something. All this bickering is a cover up for something.

[EVILUTION]

What could we possibly be up to?

[VPT]

What could we possibly be up to?


In cahoots for evo biased track layouts.

[EVILUTION]

Why would I care? My evo isn't going to the track.

[TomKat]

What could we possibly be up to?


In cahoots for evo biased track layouts.

A drag strip?????

[Extremedsm]

Well, I guess I will just have to sell poopy since Evil is not up to the poopy challenge. :x

[VPT]

just wait a few hours evil will change his mind.

[EVILUTION]

It appears Darse will have to live with those all seasons for awhile. I sold my Advans tires tonight! Now I'm debating what tire to replace those advans with.

[krazyk]

It appears Darse will have to live with those all seasons for awhile. I sold my Advans tires tonight! Now I'm debating what tire to replace those advans with.
youd sell your pecker and get a sex change, than change your mind and want it back!!!


wait my bad i dont think you'd want it back lmao..

[EVILUTION]

You been trying to buy pecker for years.

[EVILUTION]

Stardate: Bitch night.

No better time than bitch night to pop Darse's launch control cherry. That's right the ol' stutter box finally was put into action against GSXRated. Darse did pretty good even on snow tires. Seemed to launch harder than Darth. Probably because the clutch is nearly new.

Update: Winter mods.
I have some supporting mods on the way. Mainly suspension and wheels. This time I purchased a new set of Megan Racing "Track" coil overs. Last time I had the "Street" version. I figured I would give them a try and if I dont like them I'll sell and get another set of the "Streets". I

Expectations:
Other than the WAY TOO SHORT 4th gear, I am really loving this car. The Mivec is very noticeable even at partial throttle. A nice improvement during the daily drive to work. The end.

[TomKat]

That stutter box launch was awesome. :shock:

[devlish]

i was impressed with the launch as well. you caught GSXRated by surprise, and in her haste she launched anyways... but then we smelled a little clutch afterwards :?

[LS1LOVE]

i did not see this race

[devlish]

i don't think many did... except for maybe the few late night stragglers returning their over-due movies to Hollywood Video

[EVILUTION]

EVIL's log: 10/08/07

As of tomorrow I will have had Darse for two months. I picked her up with 5400 miles and she now has 7100 on her. Thats almost a 1000 miles a month! So far soo good. No problems at all. Not even a rouge rattle! The car is running like a top.

Earlier in the week Darse was pimped by Uber EVO. UE suckered Darse to the Northside kwick trip then tore our of town hitting the I39 south on ramp at tripple digit speeds. Darse was wearing all season shoes and did a little tap dance through the sweeper but held on to her position until the time was right to exploit her 100 octane hydration. Uber EVO didn't appreaciate the boost that turbo blue provided.

Darse had her second stutterbox launch on Friday. This time Dizmm and Fordssuck got a piece of the action. Fordssuck was running so much boost that he dislocated the UICP and dropped out when going into second gear and Dizmm didn't suck his nitrous nipple hard enough because Darse started to pull ahead in 4th gear.

Saturday I got a call from Chris, the guy who bought Darth. He said Darth is running like top. He installed an O2 housing, turbo back exhaust, and boost controller then dyno'd at 357whp. That car had some nuts. I miss Darth's top end yank but overall I like Darse better.

My winter mod list is complete so project Darse is on hold until I decide more power is needed. Instead of adding more parts I'm going to attempt dial in the ones I have now. There's more power in my tune and the suspension is untested on a track. I wish someone wanted to visit Grattan this Friday. Oh well, it looks like the golden sands autox will be my initial testing grounds.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

Dizmm didn't suck his nitrous nipple hard enough because Darse started to pull ahead in 4th gear.

Dizmm's bottle was not open, next time i guess I'll have to.

[EVILUTION]

It's Darse's 3 month anniversary!!!

Not much to report.

Mileage went up a couple hundred miles (7594)
Couple coats of wax were applied.
Brembos remain red.

Still can't decide if I want to do the JDM rear bumper.
Still thinking about adding a larger FMIC.
Still balancing the pros and cons of an aftermarket clutch.

Off topic...

Spoke with the original owner of Darth (not Darse). He has money down on the new GT-R and is the first one on the list. Claims he is going to drive the car for a month and then sell it for more than he paid.

Spoke with current owner of Darth. It is now GT35R powered and running strong.

[EVILUTION]

Well I've had Darse for 4 months now.

I purchased an aftermarket clutch.
I purchased the JDM rear bumper.

Plans for a larger FMIC are on hold. Not only is it not really needed but I couldn't find any good deals to make it worth the trouble.

Though our trip to GLD was fun I really didn't enjoy launching hard and bouncing off the rev limiter. As a result I'm ditching the plan for nitrous and all other go fast parts. No need to push the limits if I don't really enjoy it. That straight line shit it retarded. I'll put the cash towards keeping the car pretty. This approach will also save me the expense of rebuilding a perfect condition 8k mile tranny.

Plans are to enjoy the car as is.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

I'd rather see you keep your car slower. DizmmV.2 will be slower than DizmmV.1

[EVILUTION]

It's Darse's 5 month anniversary! So last night I treated her to another nice thick coat of wax! She loved it.

As for project updates....

1. JDM rear bumper installed. US bumper sold and shipped to IL.
2. Magnaflow race series muffer ordered to replace fart can.
3. Clutch still sitting on the shelf waiting for the stocker to die.

Did some additional E85 tuning but the hard cold start issues are just to much of a pain in the ass to deal with in the winter. Other than that the car has been running like a top.

[VPT]

I have 5 bux on darse will be sold within 2 years.

[EVILUTION]

That is not out of the question but I won't be purchasing a replacement track car.

[TomKat]

Did some additional E85 tuning but the hard cold start issues are just to much of a pain in the ass to deal with in the winter. Other than that the car has been running like a top.

You haven't been driving that car this winter.

[VPT]

Did some additional E85 tuning but the hard cold start issues are just to much of a pain in the ass to deal with in the winter. Other than that the car has been running like a top.

You haven't been driving that car this winter.


Yah, I thought you said you just filled up with turbo blue on taco tuesday...???

[EVILUTION]

I did because E85 wasn't working out. It would start fine in the house garage but would take like too many cranks to start if left outside. I'll stick with 110/93 till spring then try E85 again maybe with bigger injectors so I can crank the boost.

[EVILUTION]

Happy 6 month anniversary Darse!

Darse needs VPT and his supreme welding skills. I have a shiney new magnaflow muffler than needs some attention.

I'm hoping the new fart can will finish off the clean look of the JDM rear bumper. I really hate that big fart can. Tonight I crawled under the car and unhooked the exhaust. Need VPT to give me a ring so we can finish my last winter mod!! What an anniversary present that would be.

[VPT]

PM me your number guy.

[TomKat]

Evil is #1. No need for a pm. :D

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

What an anniversary present that would be.

Along with all those other mods :wink:

[EVILUTION]

I can only hope that this muffler works out and that its not too loud. If it doesn't I'll simply but the stock catback on the car.

The only winter mod the car got was the JDM rear bumper and I even have a little buyers remorse about that.

I would like to sell my race wheels and finish off the car with a pretty set of street rims and tires. The new EVO10MR BBS wheels are 18s and still factory so I'm leaning towards them.

But I also like these a little bit more especially with the added drop.
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/911/evo9wagen0106lz5.th.jpg (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evo9wagen0106lz5.jpg)

Its actually fun to not have to worry about dicking with shit. For awhile there I was thinking 20G turbo, whiteline bushings, fmic, and Porting. Now I'm thinking I just want something nice and not beat to shit.

[lucky4586]

You know why it hard to start when its cold out is because of the high amount of water in E85, It kinda makes it gel up like diesel.

[EVILUTION]

I'm happy with my 110/93 mix. The requirement for bigger injectors, less distance between fill ups, and a constantly changing blend kinda kills E85 for me.

NOTE: Exedy Twin Disk Clutch - SOLD!

[EVILUTION]

Thats right.... another anniversary! Can you believe I've had this piece of shit for 7 months!

VPT and JJM joined forces to get the exhaust cleaned up. We have a few more welds to go before it will be "decent" in my book.... but at least she is driveable again.

A little detuning is on the horizon.....

My coil overs are coming off and I'm going back to stock suspension.
My Rota's and Nitto's are off and I'm back on BBS and Advan's.

Other than that not much to report.

[lucky4586]

why did you take the coilovers off?

[EVILUTION]

They are too stiff and I plan on road tripping in the car this summer.

[EVILUTION]

Darse is now 9 months old!

Ticker clicked 8750 miles this morning.

The suspension swap is complete. She now rides on Blistien struts and Robi Spec springs. I have no idea how it will handle, blackhawk will be my testing grounds. I can tell you that it has a much more tolerable ride which should be 10x more comfortable on longer trips.

I sold my 18" race wheels and picked up another set of SE BBS rims and advans. I prefer the clean factory look over the bling of big wheels. I feel the bigger FMIC strengthened the clean look as well.

Current project is a GM 3 port ECU controlled rpm and load adjustable boost map. The 3 port is much more responsive to boost adjustments and is capable of ringing more out the stock turbo than the stock BCS could.

No other mods are planned at this time.

[fordssuck]

Did you ever buy those stock 9 wheels of EvoM? Or did he not reply to your Pm's?

[EVILUTION]

I've been trying to buy a few sets of wheels. People just don't seem to want to sell stuff. I offer them an excellent price but they never get back to me.

[EVILUTION]

Yet another month has gone by..... 10 months of ownership... damn the time zips by quickly.

Twist and turns....

I finally got my GM 3-Port BCS dialed in. It eliminated dicking around with boost pills and even resolved the mid range boost spike I had with the stock BCS.

The car feels much more responsive to boost transitions especially at partial throttle. Nice, but the best part is the additional boost holding capabilities above 5500 rpm. The stock BCS couldn't maintain anything above 220 load at readline. With the 3-port I've been seeing over 250.
That should translate into significant gains at peak HP (probably 20whp).

It also means I could spike the boost higher broadening the powerband and "area under the curve" as well. I'm almost willing to re-dyno the car just to see if I could break 400whp on the dynojet.

The FMIC really worked out nice at Blackhawk. Even after a 20 minute beat session the cold side was cold and the hotside was cool. No complaints at all.

The BBS wheels with nearly dead tires also served me well. I plan to run them at Shawano as well but I'm not sure I can run the whole day without cording them. I have a like new set of Advans on standy by but probably wont have a way to get them to Shawano. Let me know if you can help.

Lastly the new suspension worked out pretty good. I won't be changing a thing. It definitely had more roll than my previous setups but it felt very good on track. I think it will be good even if I decide to get a bit stickier tire. We shall see.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

I hope you will be attending the shawano lapping day on October 12th later this year.

[EVILUTION]

Honestly Shawano may be my last event this year. I just don't feel like spending $4+ on gas.

The only reason I'm doing Shawano is because a Reserve buddy from Green Bay with a "uber STI" challenged me to a street tire chase. I believe TK will also be taking him on. According to Uber STI he is also bringing another friend with a second 500whp STI that is an expert road racer. I want to take a swing at them both.

After that the car will get an 87 octane tune and haul my arse to work.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

Honestly Shawano may be my last event this year. I just don't feel like spending $4+ on gas.

The only reason I'm doing Shawano is because a Reserve buddy from Green Bay with a "uber STI" challenged me to a street tire chase. I believe TK will also be taking him on. According to Uber STI he is also bringing another friend with a second 500whp STI that is an expert road racer. I want to take a swing at them both.

After that the car will get an 87 octane tune and haul my arse to work.

87 +meth and you could run your regular 93octane tune no problem.

[EVILUTION]

I will not be doing meth on this car. After spending several hours reading about E85 I won't be doing that either.

The car is just too new and too perfect to dick with high risk mods like that. LOL! On my way home from Green Bay the car flipped 9300 miles.

Hands down... race gas is the safest way to make big power. Throw in a good FMIC and you shouldn't need anything else.

I don't need 24psi for my commute to work. I can make due with 87 octane.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

Hands down... race gas is the safest way to make big power. Throw in a good FMIC and you shouldn't need anything else.

no arguing there, however I think meth is a great alternative and it bit cheaper in the long run.

[EVILUTION]

Oh boy ..... its that time of the month again.... Darse has been part of my life for almost a year now!

Just for grins I went out and did some analysis on EVO market prices. I was shocked to find that the value of the EVO 9 is actually on the rise. In the past 6 months the used excellent condition value for my car has gone up over $1k. I called my contact in the industry that has access to the actual selling price index and he also confirmed this anomaly.

That is great news for the EVO community!

Other than that I don't have much to report. Today I noticed my ODO read 10,079 miles.

Tuesday night I put another coat of wax on the beast and tonight I plan to change the tranny, diff, and xfer case fluids.

No mods on the horizon but I am still searching for a donor mivec motor for a 2.3L conversion project. Keep your eyes open for me.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

Tuesday night I put another coat of wax on the beast

gettin her ready for that next car show ehh??

[TomKat]

I can haul tires to Shawano.

So is the threat from the 500 hp Subarus just another line of bullshit? :?

[EVILUTION]

^ If I could go back in time you would be a big help.

That Shawano event is already part of history.

gettin her ready for that next car show ehh??

Isn't your car the one I see in car parades and photo shoots in the park?

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

gettin her ready for that next car show ehh??

Isn't your car the one I see in car parades and photo shoots in the park?

a parade lap around a track maybe, i have never been to a park before.

[EVILUTION]

Normally the parade lap is as far as you get!

.... either way .... you could say Darse is race track, car show, and road trip ready 24/7!!!

[Getsideways]

So does that mean youll bring it out saturday night to do some comparison testing ,,,,ahem.

[EVILUTION]

I have reserves in Green Bay this weekend and Madtown next weekend. But sometime during the week I would be happy to line up.

[EVILUTION]

Today is Darse's 1 year anniversary! Time sure does fly by.

Last night while driving around I realized that there's absolutely no question that I have the right car. I just feel one with this thing every time I get behind the wheel.

1 year mod list:

1. ETS FMIC
2. EBAY TBE
3. ECU FLASH
4. RobiSpec Springs
5. Bilstein MR Struts
6. Perrin 25mm RSB
7. JDM Rear Bumper

Next year the mod list will probably be the same because right now the car feels perfect!

[VPT]

Today is Darse's 1 year anniversary! Time sure does fly by.

Last night while driving around I realized that there's absolutely no question that I have the right car. I just feel one with this thing every time I get behind the wheel.

1 year mod list:

1. ETS FMIC
2. EBAY TBE
3. ECU FLASH
4. RobiSpec Springs
5. Bilstein MR Struts
6. Perrin 25mm RSB
7. JDM Rear Bumper

Next year the mod list will probably be the same because right now the car feels perfect!

Than the year after all this stuff will be for sale.

[EVILUTION]

Nothing wrong with that. I like to make little changes and see how the affect the car. This years suspension swap made a night and day difference in comfort. Now if I could eliminate the loud exhaust with a silencer it would be 100% road trip worthy.

[EVILUTION]

15 months and not a single complaint.

[EVILUTION]

21 months.... just hit 14,000 miles!


A dyno day this weekend and a lapping day the next!

[Hoot]

Cool shit Jeske, your car history alone proves that you kick ass at life.

[EVILUTION]

I love being me! (you cynical bastard)

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

Cool shit Jeske, your car history alone proves that you kick ass at life.


his life will not be complete until he sells that ricer rocket and picks up a more sophisticated car, such as a BMW M3.

[EVILUTION]

Even though I've owned an EVO for the last 4 years..... I still really enjoy driving this car!

If I wanted a road yacht, I think I would get an X5 before an M3.

[05Saab]

If I wanted a road yacht, I think I would get an X5 before an M3.

X5's are beasts...I drove my cousins, and its pretty badass. 4.8L V8...Instant electronic shifting, it was fun.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

Evil, have you went out and test drove any of the newer M3's?

[EVILUTION]

No.... I'm afraid to. Test driving/riding normally results in a new toy.

Not only that but the responsible thing to do is save coin until the economy recovers. Many people don't know it but they have been firing people left and right at Sentry. There's no way to tell who's next!

I would hate to spend my slush fund and then find out I no longer have an income. Bottom line, I don't really need another vehicle. I love both of the ones I have.

[Kiley]

his life will not be complete until he sells that ricer rocket and picks up a more sophisticated car, such as a BMW M3.

i agree with andy 100%!

[EVILUTION]

22 Months.... just flipped 15k miles.

Added the Zeitronix WB and MAP sensor.

[Dizmm]

congrats.

http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/2006/rc_friday.asp

[devlish]

^ when do we go??

[EVILUTION]

I'm game for 6/19.

[devlish]

too soon for me.
that's next friday dude.

unless lots of people can make it then, i'd check into it. leave thurs morning for the 11hr drive or what?

[EVILUTION]

Yea... take Thurs & Fri off.... stay somewhere Friday night and be back Saturday.

[Dizmm]

I cant do the 19th, That’s my parent’s 25th anniversary and too much stuff going on saturday/sunday.

[devlish]

Yea... take Thurs & Fri off.... stay somewhere Friday night and be back Saturday.

stay in Omaha thurs & fri night or what?
there isn't shit between here and there for interesting places to stay, besides DesMoines, which is 2hrs on our side of MAM. besides, last time Dizmm and i found some street action, you guys wanted to sleep.

[EVILUTION]

7/24 will not work for me.... new date needed.

[devlish]

the 17th might be difficult for me, but if that when everyone else can go, i'll try.

[EVILUTION]

Ahhhh the smell of race gas, the sound of squealing tires, the graceful tripod mode dance, the full throttle high speed drift, the fear of brake fade, the rush of going off in a big cloud of dirt, and yes the intencity of the chase. What a fucking blast! I love this car!

[Dizmm]

^ upgrade your old man suspension.

[VPT]

16000 miles it should feel like new... I'd be scared though, lots of evo problems around lately.

[TurboE30ftw]

cough....m3

[Hoot]

16,000 miles and treated like a bitch every single one of those miles - just like it should be.

[Dizmm]

I saw a black evo this morning pulling out onto bus51, car was all sideways and a crazy looking monkey behind the wheel.

[EVILUTION]

^ upgrade your old man suspension.

Finally reached two years of ownership!!!

Took Dizmm's advice and upgraded the suspension. No doubt they drastically changed the behavior of the car. It performs 10x better but its no longer what I'd call soft.

Not sure if I'll keep them or sell them I guess it depends on if the car sells before the end of the year. That's right folks... now that I've had it for two years I could be ready for a change. So......

Darse is forsale!!!

The price is $25,500 firm.... non-negotiable.

Maybe I'll get an M3, maybe a GTR, maybe a 911 GT2 .... maybe I'll keep it and add a car to the collection. I just don't know.

[devlish]

^ the new M3 is amazing!!! almost drove one saturday, but opted to take a more economical 330ci out for a test drive. i just couldn't even put on the face to try to sell the salesman on me needing an M3.

[VPT]

I seen a commercial that fords new sho taurus is twin turbo!

[Dizmm]

It feels better at lower speeds yet twitchy at high speeds.

Post up your alignment specs.

[Pointdsm]

I seen a commercial that fords new sho taurus is twin turbo!

It is, twin-turbo v6, AWD. But only available in an automatic.

[VPT]

Why do car companies do shit like that?

[EVILUTION]

Post up your alignment specs.

I'm sure it has more to do with the stiff springs in the back than the alignment.

I'm running 9K front 11k rear ..... -2.5* F -1.5* rear.

This is on street tires..... I'm curious to see how it handles on race rubber as I always seem to have reserve rear grip on the stickies. Can't really judge one by the other.

[mrslysly]

Why do car companies do shit like that?

They don't have to R&D a new tranny then. All about the $$$.

[VPT]

And they wonder what they are doing wrong...

[Dizmm]

I'm sure it has more to do with the stiff springs in the back than the alignment.

I'm running 9K front 11k rear ..... -2.5* F -1.5* rear.

This is on street tires..... I'm curious to see how it handles on race rubber as I always seem to have reserve rear grip on the stickies. Can't really judge one by the other.

I speed stability really shouldn’t have anything to do with spring rates unless your whipping the wheel back and forth while at high speed. What are your toe and caster settings? Those are equally important than your camber.

I just installed some new street rubber on my car, and wow what shitting feedback I get. Although i was running race rubber daily since autobahn.

[TomKat]

It is, twin-turbo v6, AWD. But only available in an automatic.

The car is huge and heavy anyways so even if it had a stick shift it still wouldn't be a STI/EVO killer.

And for the 5 or so people who would actually want a stick shift in a car like that it doesn't pay for the manufacturer to engineer one.

[EVILUTION]

What are your toe and caster settings? Those are equally important than your camber.

I have all that other shit zero'd. Bottom line the car is tail happy on street tires.

[Dizmm]

I have all that other shit zero'd. Bottom line the car is tail happy on street tires.

i sure hope your caster is not zero'd out. your car would be all over the road the second you let go of that wheel.

[EVILUTION]

As far as I know there's no factory caster adjustment. If one has coilovers, I think the best easiest way to set caster without slotting the holes or offset bushings, is to turn the camber plates for caster adjustments and use eccentric bolts at the bottom to set camber. I don't want to get that crazy.

[Dizmm]

is to turn the camber plates for caster adjustments and use eccentric bolts at the bottom to set camber. I don't want to get that crazy.

BINGO! that allows you to maintain your SAI but improve caster and camber.

More caster = more dynamic negative camber. this allows you to run less static camber which will allow maximum braking traction.

[EVILUTION]

Blah... not worth it. I'm very close to pulling all the shit off and selling it anyway.


J/K

[Pointdsm]

BINGO! that allows you to maintain your SAI but improve caster and camber.

More caster = more dynamic negative camber. this allows you to run less static camber which will allow maximum braking traction.

The EXACT reason I switched to M suspension! Thank you dizmm for that point.

[EVILUTION]

^ That's nothing new. The point is its not worth the trouble. I have plenty of both the way it is.

[Deadly_Evolution]

As far as I know there's no factory caster adjustment. If one has coilovers, I think the best easiest way to set caster without slotting the holes or offset bushings, is to turn the camber plates for caster adjustments and use eccentric bolts at the bottom to set camber. I don't want to get that crazy.

I should design some new camber/caster top plates for the EVO now that I've got access to a capable machining center.

[Dizmm]

^ That's nothing new. The point is its not worth the trouble. I have plenty of both the way it is.

Trouble? An extra $50 for camber bolts. Thats it, wont be any more work.

Or as an alternative, buy some Ground Control Top Mount Camber/Caster Plates. gives you the ability to adjust camber AND caster along with giving your suspension some more travel.

Evil, your weird, you spend hours and hours of tuning your little brain box in your car for some extra straight line power, but then where you have the most fun (in the turns) you dont want to do dick and squat. whats wrong with you!

[EVILUTION]

80/20 rule - 80% of the performance for 20% of the trouble.

The ECU tuning I do is a hobby. You would shit your pants if you knew all the little tweaks and tricks I have dialed into my ECU. I love that shit.

I don't love turning my daily driver into a bouncy, noisy, vibrating, wheel rubbing, rut tracking shit box. I do love the new suspension but I'm not going to rotate my camber plates and upgrade to poly bushings just to capture that last 20%.

This car fucking rocks the way it is!

[stpdk]

The car is huge and heavy anyways so even if it had a stick shift it still wouldn't be a STI/EVO killer.

And for the 5 or so people who would actually want a stick shift in a car like that it doesn't pay for the manufacturer to engineer one.

yeah i dont remember the specs but its a hefty curb wieght

[devlish]

80/20 wins again.
dammit.

now why don't you go to MAM and split that room 50/50 with me...

[Dizmm]

80/20 wins again.
dammit.

now why don't you go to MAM and split that room 50/50 with me...

he'll be too busy deleting posts.

That 80/20 rule is a hoax!

[devlish]

i don't know about that... the 80/20 seems to fit lots of things. almost too many things. weird.

[VPT]

What happens when you get a girl that has 80% looks and 20% brains?

[devlish]

that's a WIN WIN!!!

[Deadly_Evolution]

What happens when you get a girl that has 80% looks and 20% brains?

Since when do they come in other ratios?

[devlish]

fugly bitches that are smart? those are out there.
wait, that'd be 80% smart, 20% good lucking.

but what about... 80% fugly, 20% smart? now that's a girl to stay away from!!!

[Posihead]

80% fugly

Just like an Evo!

[Dizmm]

Just like an Evo!

who cares what they look like, they are not for car shows!

[devlish]

no, evo would be
80% performance
20% fugly

Pontiac GA
80% fugly
20% also fugly.

[EVILUTION]

2 year 4 months.... it sure doesn't seem like it.

It's only been a week and I already miss driving it.

[VPT]

Why aren't you driving it?

[EVILUTION]

I'm waiting on winter tires. Those advans are like skis!

[Deadly_Evolution]

I'm waiting on winter tires. Those advans are like skis!

OUCH. Looks like I won't be after this one anymore.

[VPT]

Bah, whats a little salt going to do to it?

[EVILUTION]

That's what I've been saying! I actually think the salt is good for it!

But seriously I have no business driving that car in the winter. I'd probably end up ripping the front lip off just getting in to my driveway. Even though the Ohlins are aluminum I would feel terrible about salting them down. I have plenty of fun with my Jeep and I don't feel bad about it being coated in salt dust or being sand blasted by the vehicle in front of me.

I did just get a QTP downpipe that may need a VPT bend. I'd like to aim the exhaust down away from the car on the backside of the gate. No more ejecting those ebay silencers at the vehicles behind me!

[Deadly_Evolution]

Still keeping yours? Sent paper work to the guys bank today. Pretty sure it will have a new owner this week!

[TomKat]

[QUOTE=EVILUTION;80235] Even though the Ohlins are aluminum I would feel terrible about salting them down. [QUOTE]

Salt corrodes the crap out of aluminum.

[Deadly_Evolution]

If they are anodized it will not corrode.

[VPT]

Just like if steel is painted it won't rust. So Jeske may as well drive is family car in the winter.

[TomKat]

If they are anodized it will not corrode.

I don't know. I've seen some pretty crappy anodized parts after winter exposure.

[Deadly_Evolution]

Sure if the ano is pre pitted or worn down before hand. Anodizing is the process of growing corrosion on AL, and then sealilng it. Good anodizing is actually stronger and tougher than the Al itself.

It takes a mildly strong acid to break down the anodizing. Caustic Soda will also remove it. Salt contains neither.

[devlish]

i've heard certain colors of anodizing strengthens AL more than others, i think black is one of them... have you heard any of this??

[Deadly_Evolution]

i've heard certain colors of anodizing strengthens AL more than others, i think black is one of them... have you heard any of this??

That is correct. Black is the color of choice for hardcoat anodizing, but not the only one available.

[jdm_ek_wanabe]

draino works wonders for stripping ano off aluminum

[Deadly_Evolution]

draino works wonders for stripping ano off aluminum

If by wonders you mean eats your base metal, then yes it works wonders. If you want it done right however, they actually make etch, desmut, and proper anodizing stripping chemicals.

[EVILUTION]

Problem solved by not driving it in the winter slop! Tonight I'm headed to Kmart to get a couple boxes of dryer sheets. I hear they work well at keeping mice out of your car.

[Deadly_Evolution]

Problem solved by not driving it in the winter slop! Tonight I'm headed to Kmart to get a couple boxes of dryer sheets. I hear they work well at keeping mice out of your car.

Good to hear!

[VPT]

The bounce dryer sheets.

[TomKat]

The bounce dryer sheets.

Yeah. They act like little bouncers keeping the rodents out.

[devlish]

is it like having miciahahhah guard your car all winter??

[jdm_ek_wanabe]

If by wonders you mean eats your base metal, then yes it works wonders. If you want it done right however, they actually make etch, desmut, and proper anodizing stripping chemicals.

depends how long you leave it in, it worked fine on my paintball gun parts

[EVILUTION]

is it like having miciahahhah guard your car all winter??

From what I remember he couldn't even guard his own! (SMACK TALK THREAD)

[Extremedsm]

When are we going to have a thread of your Evo9 to Evo9.5?

[EVILUTION]

I don't know what a 9.5 is.

[Extremedsm]

I don't know what a 9.5 is.

Go find your wallet and make that thing faster than it is. 9.5 is a modded fast 9. LOL!

[EVILUTION]

I'll upgrade parts as they fail. When the clutch goes I'll get a new one. When the turbo goes I'll upgrade it.

The only thing I wish I had more of right now was brake cooling. I lost the pedal twice last season.... Once at ACC and once at BHFs.

Do you really think I need more power when I'm already overworking my brakes???

[Extremedsm]

I'll upgrade parts as they fail. When the clutch goes I'll get a new one. When the turbo goes I'll upgrade it.

The only thing I wish I had more of right now was brake cooling. I lost the pedal twice last season.... Once at ACC and once at BHFs.

Do you really think I need more power when I'm already overworking my brakes???

Never can have enough power. Go dig that wallet up out of the back yard and maybe one of your change jars and buy a turbo or something.

Do you remember going from the t25 to the t28? Now get on it!!!

[EVILUTION]

Why don't you build something that will inspire me to make my car faster? So far my uncorked stock EVO hasn't lost sight of anyone or anything.

Maybe I should just get a vette! This one is pretty:
http://www.ecarlist.com/showroom/1757/photos/237312
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/1766/3321/29414160045_large.jpg

[Extremedsm]

Yup, it won't be long and you will be 40.

Why don't you build something to inspire me to do something again. I have lost all intrest.

[cashsaudio]

^ I would! I drove my buddy's 08 z06 and I have to say I was surprise how smooth driving it was but doesn't feel like my Viper that just punches ya. My buddy also said that too. If I were you, thats the best upgrade you could do from an EVO. One advice, get rid of the OEM tires run crap. Its just as dangerous as the viper but at least it has all the nanny stuff.

[TomKat]

Yup, it won't be long and you will be 40.

Why don't you build something to inspire me to do something again. I have lost all intrest.

Maybe you should sit down at home and read a good book.

[Extremedsm]

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2739/dsc02224vp.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/dsc02224vp.jpg/)http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/dsc02224vp.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img34/dsc02224vp.jpg/1/)

I am ready to read!!!

[EVILUTION]

You should get the how to maintain 4G63 engines first!

[Extremedsm]

Don't need that, that was just a test motor. Ahahahahaahaaaa!!!

Now get modding that evo!

[Deadly_Evolution]

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2739/dsc02224vp.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/dsc02224vp.jpg/)http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/dsc02224vp.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img34/dsc02224vp.jpg/1/)

I am ready to read!!!

What's the title of that book, "How to max out your credit cards"?

[DontStopMe]

What's the title of that book, "How to max out your credit cards"?

that and the little box below it that says "waste your money on cancer"

[Deadly_Evolution]

Well my transition is also almost complete. VIII to IX.
Got approved today for the loan for this car.
I wanted an EVO that was not modded/beat to shit, low miles, mint, warranty, black or GG. Everything about this car fit my requirements including the price. Comes with brand new Azenis, and mods listed in the link below.
Picking it up for 23k even with only the stock IX wheels and new tires. I'm not into the giant $3000 19" wheels. Tires cost to much!
http://forums.evolutionm.net/sale-cars-sale/461714-tw-2006-ix-gg-gsr.html

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/16ggst/IMG_0536.jpg
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x246/pimpazzberetta/IMG_0802Large.jpg
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x246/pimpazzberetta/IMG_0801Large.jpg
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x246/pimpazzberetta/IMG_0795Large.jpg

[snoxracer183]

Well my transisition is also almost complete. VIII to IX.
Got approved today for the loan for this car.
Picking it up for 23k even with only the stock IX wheels and new tires. I'm not into the giant $3000 19" wheels. Tires cost to much!
http://forums.evolutionm.net/sale-cars-sale/461714-tw-2006-ix-gg-gsr.html

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/16ggst/IMG_0536.jpg

VOLK GT-S!!!!! My favorite wheels ever. What's the bolt pattern maybe they'll fit on the Mazda

[05Saab]

I'm not into the giant $3000 19" wheels.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/16ggst/IMG_0536.jpg

Those wheels do look damn good on that car...Those tires he has on there cost like $350 each! No wonder he wants $3k for them.....Pirelli's are overrated

[devlish]

i like the look of those rims on there tho!! sexy!!!

[05Saab]

VOLK GT-S!!!!! My favorite wheels ever. What's the bolt pattern maybe they'll fit on the Mazda

5 x114.3

[Deadly_Evolution]

I will also have a spare set of stock IX Enkie's if anyone is looking for a set, would consider trades or cash. I like them, but not enough to keep two sets of the same wheel.

Lite and forged!

Ha just realized I don't even need to bring my GPS with me for drive back home. It comes with a Pioneer flip out navi system!
Free GPS for the win.


So on a side note.. anyone wanna fly to OHIO with me? LOL

[Dizmm]

trade ya a full roll cage!

[Deadly_Evolution]

trade ya a full roll cage!

I'm not the best driver, but you keep trying to push this roll cage off on me. Trying to tell me something Dizmm?

[Dizmm]

yup, everyone needs a roll cage. come get it!

[2fastforyou]

Congrats!

[austinj06]

Thats a sweet ride Deadly, Congrats!

[EVILUTION]

Congrats!!! When are you going to pick it up?

[cashsaudio]

Awesome!!! I only saw one of those color around by me. You got a rare color! I like :D

[benben84]

I'd keep the expensive wheels, might give you enough incentive to keep the car off the curbs! Nice car though!

[Deadly_Evolution]

Congrats!!! When are you going to pick it up?

I'm going to try and get the car sometime before the 1st. The owner of my old EVO is coming to pick it up on the 28th.


Thanks everyone for the comments and gratitude. I'm very excited to say the least. Spring needs to HURRY UP already.

[Mr. Fuji]

WOW!
Nice!!!

[EVILUTION]

I think the car is beautiful... I don't care for those wheels at all. Not a fan of two tone fat lips on a wheel. Glad you told him to keep em'.
As mentioned above that color is about a rare as it gets (for a good color). 15k miles is very low and look how bright those brembos are!!!

I see its already an 11 second car, are you planning any mods?

[Deadly_Evolution]

I think the car is beautiful... I don't care for those wheels at all. Not a fan of two tone fat lips on a wheel. Glad you told him to keep em'.
As mentioned above that color is about a rare as it gets (for a good color). 15k miles is very low and look how bright those brembos are!!!

I see its already an 11 second car, are you planning any mods?

Yeah I talked to the guy on the phone for a while and from what he says and by the condition of the car I believe him. He pretty much never drove the car, when it did it was to drive to and from car shows. Took it to the track to get the time slip.

As for mods. I plan to put a "sonic the hedgehog arrangement on the roof", Carbotechs all the way around, my BBS wheels, bug you to tech me how to tune :) Install my AEM wideband, coilovers of some brand, remove the Forge BOV and put the stock IX bov in, I'm going to remove the steering wheel column boost gauge pod.

In time I would like to upgrade the turbo, injectors, IC, and EVO VIII 4th and 5th gear. Then add in some brake ducting.

[highline_motorsports]

Congrats!! I have to say GG is the best color out there!! I miss my old SE GG IX!!

[TomKat]

I keep reading GG. What the hell is that?

[Deadly_Evolution]

Graphite Gray I thought?

[austinj06]

Its Graphite Grey

[devlish]

graphite. i miss my lexus in that color too (GGP Graphite Gray Pearl)... that's my favorite color for a car

[3ftcivic]

graphite. i miss my lexus in that color too (GGP Graphite Gray Pearl)... that's my favorite color for a car

Speaking of that, I have been seeing your old lexus everywhere. The day it snowed so hard, sure as shit I see a grey luxus flying through town and passing people. He is keeping it clean though...

[Deadly_Evolution]

Well just found out I'm getting a $2,500 bonus from work tomorrow so this is going to be an interesting winter, and one hell of a great spring/summer.

[devlish]

Speaking of that, I have been seeing your old lexus everywhere. The day it snowed so hard, sure as shit I see a grey luxus flying through town and passing people. He is keeping it clean though...

awesome! yeah, i gave him some snow kicks for winter when we bought it cuz i'm a nice guy. good to hear he's taking care of it!

[EVILUTION]

Well just found out I'm getting a $2,500 bonus from work tomorrow so this is going to be an interesting winter, and one hell of a great spring/summer.

That's enough for a regear, injectors, and a turbo!

[ragdoll]

That's enough for a regear, injectors, and a turbo!

Or the start of a nice savings account! :)

[austinj06]

Bah! No need to save money when you have a "president" who hands it out like candy.
Now all I need to do is run a corporation into the ground so I can get a free be.

Im gonna buy 267,558,528,428 of these with my $$800 billion....
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k3/austinj06/13644_167333545825_505415825_338718.jpg
...I just hope I dont get a rash.

[Deadly_Evolution]

That's enough for a regear, injectors, and a turbo!

Between the insurance money, money left over after my pay off from the 03, and this bonus check. I'm sittin pretty to say the least. I'm going to do a few minor things right off the bat, but the voices are screaming at me already!

[devlish]

let them scream that money right into a good savings account or higher yeild CD. i wish i had done that a few years ago now that i'm house shopping again.... sure would be nice to have a few extra grand laying around rather than a paid off purty STi. (but i do sympathize with you... it sure is nice to go for a ride and mash the pedal down!!)

[Dizmm]

it takes money to make money. find a use to double or even triple that extra cash.

[devlish]

^ then buy a bigger turbo, and still have the $2500 left over to start another savings account!!

[Dizmm]

and still have the $2500 left over to start another savings account!!

savings account don’t bring much dividends. if anything at all, throw it in some mutual funds.

Check out MUTF:SWOIX low risk, and in the past 5 months has made me a few hundred dora.

[EVILUTION]

^ Ha ha ..... the last time you gave advice it wasn't so great!
http://www.cwscc.com/vb_forum/showpost.php?p=74819&postcount=42

[Dizmm]

^ Ha ha ..... the last time you gave advice it wasn't so great!
http://www.cwscc.com/vb_forum/showpost.php?p=74819&postcount=42

penny stocks arent a long term investment. its a pump and dump.

[EVILUTION]

I have pulled all my money from personal investments and am only putting into my 401k. Its 100% matched and 25% of that match goes into a 6% guaranteed fund. The rest is in a target retirement fund managed by people that know more than I do. I don't even look at it anymore. I shred my statements without even looking at them.

I'll probably die before I get to draw on it and Carole with end up spending it on some boy toy after I'm gone!

[Dizmm]

planning on going someplace?

do they put a limit as to how much you can contribute to your 401k per month?

[devlish]

^ no, but Sentry limits the match amount... (i.e. 100% of the first 5% of your income you put in, etc)

and yea, i know savings don't have much money making interest, but i was getting at something more like a mutual fund of some sort, or shorter term CDs if you feel you might need the money sooner, rather than later. however, a few years ago i dumped $10k into a MoneyMarket becuase it was yeilding 5.25%!! amazing for a savings/checking account!! now it's down around the usual .25% or so. fockers. owell. it's mostly gone now anyways.

[Deadly_Evolution]

I have no idea how to invest money, and to greedy to take a chance of loosing it.

[devlish]

doubtful you'd lose it on most things these days, it'll just grow slower in the low risk funds.

[Dizmm]

I have no idea how to invest money, and to greedy to take a chance of loosing it.

its easier than you think.

eTrade works great for just tossing some money in and putting it in a low risk mutual fund. Its only a minimum 90day investment. For active trading, eTrade is a bit on the expensive side at about $14/trade. dont do active trading unless you jobless. you have to watch that shit like a hawk.

[EVILUTION]

Nick what are the voices saying?

[ragdoll]

You guys are funny.

Nick what are the voices saying?

Yes. That is the voice each person should be listening to. All the outside voices love to tell you what to do with your money.

[Deadly_Evolution]

Nick what are the voices saying?

They say.. now is your chance to have the EVO you have wanted, you have the money to make it how you want it.

They also say spend some, save rest for emergency and comfort.

At this point though I have enough car that I can spend less and be happy. I've got a much better foundation to start with. Mivec, IX turbo, flawless everything, warranty.

Sooner or later the car will be getting a bigger turbo, injectors, cams, dual tunes, and coilovers.

After all is said and done I will still have 5k to play with. Thinking put half away for comfort cushion. The other half into tires, track days, and a few mods.

[EVILUTION]

We must be neighbors... I am hearing the same voices.

[Extremedsm]

We must be neighbors... I am hearing the same voices.

Tell Tomkat to shutup. No stock stock stock!!!

[VPT]

Are there any threads on this forum where people aren't talking about evos?

[EVILUTION]

Well if its in the subject line twice odds are no.