WIR autocross Aug. 5th

[TomKat]

Good time. Awesome course.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u171/msccpics/2007/Fox%20Valley%20Sports%20Car%20Club/8-5-07%20WIR/IMG_8227.jpg

@#$(*&@#(* Kronztak. That was one of the good reflector cones. :x

[TomKat]

Fordsuck running a Street Mod. class winning time on Sunday. Good thing Dizmm with ASM Motorsports wasn't there because he would have gotten an EVO beatdown.
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I have a hard time believing that JJMotorsports let this car go to an event with miss-matched wheels. Shame on you Jethrow.

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[TomKat]

T.C. making the most of her VPT and Bait enhanced exhaust system. Sounds much better now. :D
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[TomKat]

TomKat getting a ride in an Ariel Atom. :D
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[TomKat]

Would someone please tell this SOB to keep that drag car off these road courses. 8)
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I think he wanted to run at the drag strip, but turned into the first driveway instead of the second and ended up running with us.

[EVILUTION]

Those are great pictures. Glad to see an EVO took street mod.

Did the ATOM get FTD? What did you think of it?

[TomKat]

Good thing Poopie was sent home packing. The Inbred would have put a whole lot of hurt on Poopie.
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[EVILUTION]

Why no poopie?

[devlish]

didn't pass tech inspection

[EVILUTION]

I can't believe that!

[devlish]

who'd have thunk?? j/k

i was there only for the first few runs, i stayed through the atom's first run, which was a pooch. but i suppse i can understand... its still very new to him. then i left. (i was in appleton anyways dropping off sara at the airport for her flight to korea, so i thought i'd stop in)

[TomKat]

Those are great pictures. Glad to see an EVO took street mod.

Did the ATOM get FTD? What did you think of it?

The Atom. :shock: That car is a handful. It's going to take a while for the driver to get used to it and after going for a ride I can see why. I think he is going to take the smart route and slowly learn the limits of that car. He only gave it half throttle once during my ride- holy crap.

[Evilatom]

Did the ATOM get FTD?

LOL, not even remotely close. It might be within the reach of the car, but the driver needs serious improvement. Just having a great scalpel doesn't make you a good surgeon. I'm just happy I didn't take any chunks out of any concrete walls. I drove like suck in this first event. This cone thing is mighty different than the HPDE events I'm used to.

I did put a few photos and some video from the event on my site in the gallery. http://www.evilatom.com.

waznme took some great photos - any way to get a copy of a few of the originals? :D

[TomKat]

WTF. This guy didn't race. The photographer must have liked this guys ride.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u171/msccpics/2007/Fox%20Valley%20Sports%20Car%20Club/8-5-07%20WIR/IMG_7883.jpg

Hey isn't this the Triple Crown Luxury Lowdown winner?

I like how he has it parked so perfectly between the lines.

[Extremedsm]

Good thing Poopie was sent home packing. The Inbred would have put a whole lot of hurt on Poopie.
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Oh, you have no idea how pist off poopy is right now. Poopy has some new exhaust from VPT and some new ball joints waiting installation. Poopy will be letting some anger out really soon in select areas around town.

[EVILUTION]

Good stuff!

[devlish]

WTF. This guy didn't race. The photographer must have liked this guys ride.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u171/msccpics/2007/Fox%20Valley%20Sports%20Car%20Club/8-5-07%20WIR/IMG_7883.jpg

Hey isn't this the Triple Crown Luxury Lowdown winner?

I like how he has it parked so perfectly between the lines.

what's not to like about it guy?? awesome car, luxury class winner, perfect parking job!?!?!??! how can you not just love the car. it's very photogenic too, don't you think??

[devlish]

Poopy will be letting some anger out really soon in select areas around town. great, am i to expect some aggression release near me as well??

[EVILUTION]

I'm not sure why a guy with a fully built track car wants to drive a tech failing, water filling, honda instead.

Then again I'm not sure why the GLH hasn't been give the transplant yet either.

At least Dizmm will still be able to unleash his pent up EVO envy in a game of cat and mouse.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

At least Dizmm will still be able to unleash his pent up EVO envy in a game of cat and mouse.

BRING IT ON EVO'S :twisted:

[devlish]

Then again I'm not sure why the GLH hasn't been give the transplant yet either. got an email last night regarding my motor... he won't have time to pull it it late next week, i hope to go down next weekend then to retrieve it, or within the few weeks following.

i think i should order some form of LSD while i'm at it... probably just stick with a phantom grip for now... can't afford a quaiffe.

[Extremedsm]

I'm not sure why a guy with a fully built track car wants to drive a tech failing, water filling, honda instead.

How much track time do you have??? I have one auto x and it was at Marshfield. I am pretty sure you started off with a probe, not a $25k evo. I do not want to put the evo into a curb :D or wall.

[EVILUTION]

You will turn better times driving your EVO slow than you will attempting to drive poopy fast.

Not only that but from what I hear you've been practicing your autox skills on the street!

[TomKat]

I'm not sure why a guy with a fully built track car wants to drive a tech failing, water filling, honda instead.

How much track time do you have??? I have one auto x and it was at Marshfield. I am pretty sure you started off with a probe, not a $25k evo. I do not want to put the evo into a curb :D or wall.

:? Since when did you start making sense????? :?

[TomKat]

You will turn better times driving your EVO slow than you will attempting to drive poopy fast.


Totally incorrect Evil. In the long run he's way better off starting with Poopie.

[TomKat]

At least Dizmm will still be able to unleash his pent up EVO envy in a game of cat and mouse.

He has to come to an event first before he can do that. He's been having trouble with this lately.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

At least Dizmm will still be able to unleash his pent up EVO envy in a game of cat and mouse.

He has to come to an event first before he can do that. He's been having trouble with this lately.

I have been having troubles with coming to events???

[VPT]

I can't believe you guys didn't let poop run! Must be a evo bias organization running these auto-x's. I know for a fact that TK ran on worse upper ball joints in his b16 crx at auto-x's before he replaced them.

On a side note I would run poopie for my first few times as well. JJ should have started out on a mini bike, or moped back in the day but he said no no I will start out with the big bike right away. LOL

[EVILUTION]

Tomkat you are completely wrong.

I don't think Poopie is going to help him hone his EVO skills at all. Driving the car he plans to race slower and in a controlled manner is the best approach.

We all know how Extreme drives, he has had a lifetime of practice for this shit.

VPT you'll be driving a shit box for the rest of your life. Putting you in Poopie would be good practice for you. Do it. Do it.

[devlish]

i think there is a good arguement either way. however, since TK "knows" he is always right, you won't win that arguement Evil.

[EVILUTION]

You too are wrong. I am right.

Instead of fearing the track and driving like an ass on the street. Extreme should be slightly pushing the car on the track learning in a safe environment. He doesn't have to push it while next to the wall and who gives a fuck if he hits a cone. Tomkat does that all the time.

I think Tomkat is nervous about this highly modded EVO spanking his wanna be stock EVO.

[VPT]

VPT you'll be driving a shit box for the rest of your life. Putting you in Poopie would be good practice for you. Do it. Do it.


Yes I will, I don't ever plan to waste 25-35K on a car and plug it into a curb or wall or tree, that is just retarded. No car is worth a 1/8-1/4 price of a HOUSE.

[EVILUTION]

No guts no glory no fun.

Stick with the buy low sell high program.

[TomKat]

I think Tomkat is nervous about this highly modded EVO spanking his wanna be stock EVO.

Ha ha. I am 100% not afraid of that super duper uber modded EVO. I already beat it in an acceleration test. Bring it on.

Evil. Who is the driving instructor here? How many auto x events have you been to? Car control is car control. It's way easier to learn how to drive at an autocross in a slower easy to drive FWD car. The transition to the AWD super uber EVO will be an easy one once the basics are mastered. Driving the super uber EVO right away will just bring on a lot of bad habits.

My first auto x event I drove my pace car Trans Am with 335 RWHP. What a mistake. I backed down to the Grand Am after a few events with much better results.

[Pointdsm]

Agreed^^ such as my habit right now that i'm trying to fix, brake straight and hard, then turn into the corner, do not break and turn.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

different cars handle different, but I would have to say 70% of the driving strategy will be the same from car to car. Obviously an evo with AWD will rip harder coming out of a turn whereas a honda with no LSD will spin like a mother. So entry speed into a corner with a honda should be faster and a the exit can be slower, and with an evo, you can just drive balls to the walls as the brakes are awesome and with AWD you dont have to worry about wheel spin.

[fordssuck]

I dont think i even hit a single cone on sunday, a fordssuck first!!! I do kinda miss the cone bashing power hog... :(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u171/msccpics/2007/Fox%20Valley%20Sports%20Car%20Club/8-5-07%20WIR/IMG_8568.jpg

[Pointdsm]

But with the honda, you learn momentum, and how to be smooth because you have to(in any underpowered car). With the Evo you can just point and shoot, not good.

[EVILUTION]

^ Whatever!

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

^ Whatever!

its always better to start off small and work your way up. thats the safe thing to do. personally if it were me, i'd be excited and take the evo and go balls to the walls.

[Pointdsm]

Evil: You don't think starting out in the probe helped you become a better driver?

[EVILUTION]

Racing a FWD car is completely different than an AWD car especially an EVO. Different line, different apex style, different throttle control, ect.... the list goes on and on.

If I planned on racing an EVO and had one sitting in the garage the probe never would have seen the track. This is especially true with a BIG brake car, with $5k suspension, and race rubber. All that learning in poopie will do is build a false sense of security.

[Extremedsm]

Evil witnessed the power of poopy and does not know if I can handle it. :lol:

[TomKat]

Racing a FWD car is completely different than an AWD car especially an EVO. Different line, different apex style, different throttle control, ect.... the list goes on and on.


WHAT??? You've got to be kidding me. Apex style. Ha ha ha ha ah ha ha ha.

Different line. Um no. There may be some slight variation, but the basic proper line through a corner is same from car to car.

[TomKat]

If I planned on racing an EVO and had one sitting in the garage the probe never would have seen the track. This is especially true with a BIG brake car, with $5k suspension, and race rubber. All that learning in poopie will do is build a false sense of security.

Quite the opposite Sir Evil.

Tell us more about this apex style. Ha ha ha ah ha ha. :lol:

[EVILUTION]

^ More... At Grattan you showed me your line in the Vette and pretty much always used a late apex. I drove it for a few laps and it was good.

Then I took one of those professional drivers for a ride and he said the only turn I was taking correctly in an AWD car was turn 1. After a shit ton of changes the new line and apex "style" I was quite a bit quicker.

Then we played chase. The rest is History.

[devlish]

^ More... At Grattan you showed me your line in the Vette and pretty much always used a late apex. I drove it for a few laps and it was good. or maybe TK is right is saying the line is relatively the same car to car, but he was just doing it wrong!!!

[EVILUTION]

....Relatively....

Corners are different for every car especially when it comes to entry and exit speeds. Now toss in twice the horsepower and three times the grip that Extreme's EVO has. Completely different approach. Argue if you want to but you will be wrong.

The real point I'm trying to make is its smarter back off the aggressive driving on the street and responsibly learn about the handling characteristics on a track.

Explain to me how driving Poopie an unsafe death trap at ludicrous speed is safer than respecting the power of a race prepped EVO and driving it causiously.

[Extremedsm]

Who said anything about safer? If I make a mistake, poopy costs 2k and evo costs 25k.

POOPY POWER

[TomKat]

^ More... At Grattan you showed me your line in the Vette and pretty much always used a late apex. I drove it for a few laps and it was good.

Then I took one of those professional drivers for a ride and he said the only turn I was taking correctly in an AWD car was turn 1. After a shit ton of changes the new line and apex "style" I was quite a bit quicker.

Then we played chase. The rest is History.

If you want to play chase again at Gratten bring it on. This time I want tires that aren't showing cords on 50% of the tread surface with chunks of rubber flying off at random times. I would have kept going, but pitted because I wanted to drive my car home that day.

The guy in the Integra obviously knew that track quite well and was by far the fastest guy there. He knows some tricks and I'm sure he's logged a shitload of miles at that track.

[TomKat]

Who said anything about safer? If I make a mistake, poopy costs 2k and evo costs 25k.

POOPY POWER

I can't believe this. Extreme is making way more sense than Evil. :?

[Pointdsm]

He is making alot of sense lately. That and hearing someone say POOPIE POWER, just makes for a good day.

[TomKat]

The race line is basically the same for all cars. Yes there are adjustments to be made depending on your car/grip/power/ etc. Hell there are even shortcuts to be taken with low powered cars Blackhawk.

Learning the basics in a slower car on regular tires is a way better way to learn fast driving technique basics. Small steps to work up the the race tired super double uber EVO.

The super double uber EVO does not have ABS. Poopie does not have ABS. Extreme will save a lot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$ by learning threshold braking in Poopie than in the EVO.

Evil you need to watch Initial D. :D Through the 4th season where they really get detailed into driving techniques.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

Evil you need to watch Initial D. :D Through the 4th season where they really get detailed into driving techniques.

I am done with season 1 and I even made a few more copies, Evil, you want me to drop it off for ya.

[devlish]

i'll take a copy guy.

[krazyk]

Evil you need to watch Initial D. :D Through the 4th season where they really get detailed into driving techniques.

I am done with season 1 and I even made a few more copies, Evil, you want me to drop it off for ya.

ill take one too if i can get one andy.. ill stop by at northside and pick it up.. just let me know when