Calling out Getsideways!!! (The BHF 2010 thread)

[VPT]

GSW was telling me the other day how he is going to walk all over that viper and make it looks just silly out on the track.

[cashsaudio]

GSW was telling me the other day how he is going to walk all over that viper and make it looks just silly out on the track.

o really, but who actually believes you tho?

[ragdoll]

I heard he has 3 nipples and none of them are on his chest.

[DontStopMe]

I heard he has 3 nipples and none of them are on his chest.

You sexist bastard

[mouse]

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[devlish]

I'm registered . need to give the car a quick once over and change out tires/brakes and it's ready. i think.

[VPT]

I'm registered . need to give the car a quick once over and change out tires/brakes and it's ready. i think.



I thought you were doing all that stuff during the dells weekend?

[cashsaudio]

Dang....weather changes that fast? Mid 80s Saturday?!

[devlish]

I thought you were doing all that stuff during the dells weekend?

ran outta time.

[snoxracer183]

Thanks TK and Dizmm for helping me flush my brake fluid tonight! One less thing to worry about for this weekend now.

[Draven8795]

Did you find your clutch master cylinder?

[snoxracer183]

Did you find your clutch master cylinder?

Didn't look into it. Not sure if it's shared or just hiding in there somewhere.

[Deadly_Evolution]

As of right now I don't think I'm going, the lack of TK in an EVO and EVIL just seems to have made it less interesting. To much shit to do before then also. Oh well maybe next year.

[snoxracer183]

As of right now I don't think I'm going, the lack of TK in an EVO and EVIL just seems to have made it less interesting. To much shit to do before then also. Oh well maybe next year.

Chasing TK in a BMW sure sounds fun though!

[Dizmm]

As of right now I don't think I'm going, the lack of TK in an EVO and EVIL just seems to have made it less interesting. To much shit to do before then also. Oh well maybe next year.

c'mon, i wanna chase your new (and very well setup) evo around!

[Deadly_Evolution]

Lol fine your helping
me get it ready then! I need to mount tires, flush brakes, and get
my tune safer just off the top ofmy head

[snoxracer183]

How many people do they send out on the track at once? Registration is up to 78 cars already!

[Dizmm]

Lol fine your helping
me get it ready then! I need to mount tires, flush brakes, and get
my tune safer just off the top ofmy head

come on over tonight! or friday...

I can even balance them for you,.. waahhhooo!
http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s330/Dizmm/28527_398921939940_801959940_397961.jpg

[SgtRauksauff]

we fit as many onto the track as we can safely fit. Usually there is only passing on the front straight between 7 and 1, so you might have some traffic to contend with, if there's a lot of slow guys. Or if you're one of the slow guys, you'll be passed a lot. :)

I think we launch cars about every 5-10 seconds, until the track is loaded, then we launch guys in the spaces that develop.

Andy, I like the balancer! looks like it might be a bit newer than mine (Hofmann Geodyna 30).

--sarge

[Scrad]

I was looking at some of the mylaps data from my kart and it looks like a 1:17.590 is the fastest lap I've done there.

I'd be interested to see what the cars run. I'd imagine pretty close in time, since your top speed is a little higher.

[Draven8795]

So are there gas stations right near this track to fill up when I get there before we start the run? Will I have to fill up mid day?

[devlish]

Will I have to fill up mid day? YES! a few times.t hey have gas on site, but of course, it costs more. i plan to bring a tank with me, and fill up at a station along the way to give myself a few extra gallons of normal priced gas. ha.

[TomKat]

Be sure to fill up before you get to the track.

[Pointdsm]

I'm coming down from whitewater to watch for the day, should be a perfect day for driving!

[Deadly_Evolution]

come on over tonight! or friday...

I can even balance them for you,.. waahhhooo!
http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s330/Dizmm/28527_398921939940_801959940_397961.jpg

Is the changer at your house now too?

[VPT]

Can you balance a 11" wide wheel?

[cashsaudio]

Can you balance a 11" wide wheel?
how bout 13" :D haha

[Dizmm]

Is the changer at your house now too?

We'll be moving that in a bit.

Can you balance a 11" wide wheel?

how bout 13" :D haha

yup. no problem.

[Draven8795]

YES! a few times.t hey have gas on site, but of course, it costs more. i plan to bring a tank with me, and fill up at a station along the way to give myself a few extra gallons of normal priced gas. ha.


I think I'm going to actually do the same thing.

[snoxracer183]

Alright, an extra 5 gallon gas can...check!

Brake pads just arrived from the UPS man. Time to go put them on and bed them in.

[cashsaudio]

Okay, I went onto BHF website....I have a buddy that is trailing down my car. Does that mean he has to pay $10 to get in?! Thats the first I ever heard. Is this true or no?

[Dizmm]

aww trailer'd car huh? better be fast!

[cashsaudio]

aww trailer'd car huh? better be fast!

No its slow....lol last time I drove with my race tires on on the streets, when I turned it actually picked up a stone and threw it on top of my windshield. Another hand, if any of us breaks down....I know I won't have a problem getting it home unlike what happened to you couple years ago haha. Sucks doesn't it?


btw, what time does tech start? Since it says the gates will be open 24hours

[Getsideways]

if you know you wont have trouble getting it home why not just drive it

[TomKat]

Yes Cash your truck driver buddy will have to pay $10 to get in.

Pit pass fee. Same thing applies at Shawano.

[ragdoll]

Yes Cash your truck driver buddy will have to pay $10 to get in.


You pay Tom directly. :cool:

[cashsaudio]

if you know you wont have trouble getting it home why not just drive it

Must of misunderstood what I meant. The truck and trailer will be there if anything happens. Thats what I meant but like I said the tires I have picks up stones/rocks like glue on the street it has thrown some inside the car when I went to get gas.

Yes Cash your truck driver buddy will have to pay $10 to get in.

Pit pass fee. Same thing applies at Shawano.

Kinda shitty IMO.

[Draven8795]

So what time do we need to be there so I know how freakin early i gots to get up.

[Pointdsm]

Tom, do you need any extra workers for the day? I'd be willing to volunteer if needed.

[Draven8795]

So what time do we need to be there so I know how freakin early i gots to get up.


Just checked my auto events tech is from 6:30 - 7:45 so I plan on getting there 7:00-7:15ish

[Getsideways]

Must of misunderstood what I meant. The truck and trailer will be there if anything happens. Thats what I meant but like I said the tires I have picks up stones/rocks like glue on the street it has thrown some inside the car when I went to get gas.



Kinda shitty IMO.

90% of the paddock had gravel last time i was there. And yeah i did missread what you said earlier .

[cashsaudio]

90% of the paddock had gravel last time i was there. And yeah i did missread what you said earlier .

yeah thats the dislike about the track but all the other track I've been to has been paved. Usually it will get knocked off before you start getting into speed. Bad enough from just rolling the tires in the garage to put them on was pulling stuff off the floor ugh. At least it tells me it is still sticky.

Be on the trailer tomorrow evening and ready to go at 5:15am :D thats later than I usually get up for work lol.

[TomKat]

Tom, do you need any extra workers for the day? I'd be willing to volunteer if needed.

Yes. Tell them at the registration building that you are working.

Thanks.

[TomKat]

$10 pit pass is shitty. I agree.

OK boys this how the matchup is going down. The session after lunch break you two will be lining up at the head of the grid. The two of you will have to decide who is leading first.

2 laps we will measure the gap at the bridge. Then the lead car will let the following car pass. 2 more laps and we will measure the gap at the bridge. The car making the longest gap wins.

[Pointdsm]

Thanks Tom, I'll be there bright and early.

[1gnR/T]

Blow his doors off cash ;)

[TomKat]

Blow his doors off cash ;)

He's got 4 doors so this isn't going to be easy.

[Dizmm]

this should be fun. MrSlySly is donating a GoProHD, should be for some good video!

[SgtRauksauff]

gonna be a good day, I can feel it!

[Draven8795]

Yea I need some footage (of me getting passed haha) at some point during the day. I believe Paul has offered but if we got three gopros shouldn't be a problem.

[Getsideways]

$10 pit pass is shitty. I agree.

OK boys this how the matchup is going down. The session after lunch break you two will be lining up at the head of the grid. The two of you will have to decide who is leading first.

2 laps we will measure the gap at the bridge. Then the lead car will let the following car pass. 2 more laps and we will measure the gap at the bridge. The car making the longest gap wins.

FWIW ive never been able to get 2 clean laps (no traffic) in one session much less 4 in the same session

[TomKat]

That's why you are going out first.

[devlish]

yes, GSW must remember TK is running grid right?? as long as TK and Cash go out first... the only issue they have is lapping the last people out! yikes!

what time is everyone leaving point? i'm thinking 5am?

[Pointdsm]

I'm guessing you guys are pitting by the covered building again like in past times?

[ragdoll]

yes, GSW must remember TK is running grid right?? as long as TK and Cash go out first... the only issue they have is lapping the last people out!

What about when GSW starts lapping Cash though? It's going to be a traffic jam anyways.

[Getsideways]

That's why you are going out first.
You better be sending out a convoy immediatly behind us

[mrslysly]

Unless that convoy starts passing you two.

[Getsideways]

I wont let anyone pass us ill run em right off the track

[cashsaudio]

haha I like what you said above GSW. Anyway, I'm all set and ready to head to bed. Got a full tank of 111 octane gas mmmm smells good. plus spared out 4gals just in case. 6.50 a gal for it gezz. I remember few years ago when it was like 4 bucks a gal.

[TomKat]

PointDSM. Most likely we will be doing tech in the new tech barn near the tower.

[Pointdsm]

I know where tech is, but was wondering where you guys will likely be pitted. I can always move, just felt like saving you guys a spot if I get there before you.

[Getsideways]

That was an awesome day thanks to all who assisted in the event , and those that helped prep my car , and to jeff jeske for making the Viper vs. Evo battle possible
My car ran like a champ the tires (nto1s)are the perfect lapping day tire IMO they have good wear , grip on the edge , and are priced decently, I dont need more power , ive already ordered all the rest of the brake upgrades i wanted last week those should cure all the issues i had today , and i have a couple more reliability mods in mind W/B, slightly larger turbo to reduce heat , more heat shields , brake diverters (vpt)for airflow , ported stock manifold ...
All in all great day i cant wait for paul to post up some vids , nice driving by the whole crew including cash ,,Dizzzm did go off ahem.... and thanks for borrowing me those vids paul i cant stop watching them !!!

[Dizmm]

slightly larger turbo to reduce heat ,

your going the wrong way. smaller = better. Bigger turbo creates more surging, bad for road racing.

[EVILUTION]

How did the battle end?

[TomKat]

I officiated the battle. It was damn close.

I think we'll need to review the camera shots to call this one - hoping Boosted Films will be making a youtube video of it.

[mrslysly]

Dizmm, did you break the gopro? hehe.

[DontStopMe]

I got some pretty darn good footage of the battle. Two cameras on each car, on going forward, one back. Unfortunately, I have been busy as hell for a the last week and next week doesn't look any better, so don't expect any footage for a week or two.

Overall, It was a good day. Lots of good driving by the CWSCC crew. Sorry I bailed a little early, but it was a long ass day and I'm still in the process of moving.


Dizmm, did you break the gopro? hehe.
I have it currently. Didn't break it, had a dead battery when i got it though. Do you need it back before the Marshfield auto-x or can i just give it to you then on the 6th?

[Pointdsm]

I agree with TK, the battle was DAMN GOOD, and very close. Observing the video at the track both parties were at the very edge!

These two cars were of the 3 fastest at the track all day(the black zo6 was insane!).

[cashsaudio]

It was very close! On the last lap of several hot laps, first I went sideways but gain control then after the next turn GSW brakes went to the floor and had to use quite abit of the run off on the last turn. I had the most fun yesterday. WOW! I did a couple cool down laps and then the black vette came around and let him pass me. I did a chase with him. If there wasn't any other cars in the way, he would have took me hardcore. That Black c6 Z06 is fast. My tires pretty much are done. Too many heat cycles I believe.

As for the striaght away, I have gotten up to 140mph that said on my gauge. I hit it up there maybe 5 times but I like to keep my distance for braking since I have went in too hot couple times on turn one. I figured it was 5mph off. I checked it when I got home how far it was off with my gps and my iphone and sure enough was 4-5mph off. I was told that I got 121mph. I don't go to the max on the striaght away everytime. Hoosier tires next and really like to get the Wing and front splitter to help me from sliding all over. I wish I did the track alignment before I went because my left side was really wearing down on my tires.

I can't wait to see the video Paul!!!! Thanks again GSW for a great run!

[VPT]

There can't be a tie, who is the wiener?

[Getsideways]

Thanks again GSW for a great run!

Likewise i had a blast..
Also if you checked your speed at say 50 and it was 5 off that =15 at say 150
I have a feeling mid 120s is correct tho my speedo usually reads 2-3 mph high on slightly small tires ,, i was using 275 40 17s there which are huge and i was banging of a 7900 limiter 3/4 down pit road well before the bridge an indicated speed of 125(i think) that was the times when we were playing chase and were right with each other (i wish someone woulda been radaring grrrr) anyhew like i said before good times !!!!

[Dizmm]

^ These chase battles dont really work at lapping days. you 2 should go to a high speed auto-x, get a time, and then compare.

Also that C6 vette, he ran a 1:20 at the high speed auto-x at BHF last year, i ran a 1:22 in my STi, and i know my evo is faster than my STi. Cash if you were struggling to keep up with him, you should have not left so early and we shoulda play'd some chase.

[Dizmm]

Track records at BHF for high speed auto-x:

AR.......... 1:14.971....... Ron Adee LSCC 00 Ford Taurus 24 Jun 2006
BR........... 1:18.996 .......* Ron Schimmelpfenning MSCC 06 Lotus Exige 25 Aug 2007
YP.......... 1:20.257........ Todd Kellner LSCC 04 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 23 Jun 2007
YM .........1:20.448...... * Todd Kellner LSCC 04 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 28 May 2007
SU ..........1:21.421 ......Ron Adee LSCC 94 Dodge Ram 24 Jul 2004
XM.......... 1:21.543...... Ron Adee NSSCC 96 Dodge Viper 2 Aug 1997
AM.......... 1:21.857 ......Brad Oblak SCSCC 00 Chevrolet Camaro Z-28 19 Sep 2009
XP........... 1:23.153...... Ralph Corning MSCC 03 Ford Mustang Cobra 27 Sep 2003
AP........... 1:23.871 .....Dudek NSSCC 04 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 25 Sep 2004
DR ...........1:23.959..... Ed Key MSCC 85 Van Dieman RF85 15 May 1999
BM ...........1:24.518 ....Bruce 'Chip' Walterman SCSCC 79 AMC Spirit AMX 19 Sep 2009

[Draven8795]

Well regardless of their little battle I had a blast yesterday. Definitely learned a lot about my car and driving at higher speeds.

Quite the confidence builder...I think Eric can agree...we probably should have gone to the intermediate grouping, oh well. That last lap him and I had was awesome until he ran out of gas...stupid electronic fuel gauges =)...how much video did you get of that?.....Can't wait to see all the video of the day thanks to Tom and Andy for riding with me and giving me the line and tips and Paul for filming a session of mine.

[TomKat]

There can't be a tie, who is the wiener?

VPT is the weiner.

[TomKat]

XM.......... 1:21.543...... Ron Adee NSSCC 96 Dodge Viper 2 Aug 1997[/LEFT]




Hille, Tom Stevens Point, WI MSCC Mbr - - 1:21.718 1:22.136 1:21.779 1:21.632

My times a Blackhawk last year with Tripoli. So close.

[Dizmm]

Mike, you did great with your STi. You picked up very quick what you needed to do. I wish i would have had a chance to go out and play chase with more CWSCC guys. I only had 40 miles of on track (and even a few off track).

Hopefully next year we'll get some more grudge racing going, it sure does make things exciting.

[TomKat]

Also that C6 vette, he ran a 1:20 at the high speed auto-x at BHF last year.

I'm pretty sure that was a different car.

[TomKat]

Mike, you did great with your STi. You picked up very quick what you needed to do.

Hopefully next year we'll get some more grudge racing going, it sure does make things exciting.

2nd that.

[Dizmm]

I'm pretty sure that was a different car.

I checked his number, its Richard Mattson.

BHF High Speed AutoX:
3T...82....Mattson, Richard....SCSCC...Mbr....1:22.198.....1:21.037... ..1:21.269.....1:21.423.....1:20.690

from yesterdays entry list:
Mattson, Richard
Mundelein, IL 06 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Black
Scscc


I wish i could go tomorrow to the high speed autox, i'm sure i'd break into the 1:19's with the evo. its faster and a better handling car than my STi, plus the STi was missing chunks of tires when i ran that 1:22.

[Draven8795]

plus the Evo was missing chunks of tires .

Fixed per Saturday.

[Getsideways]

seems like you just destroy tires in general there

[SgtRauksauff]

[quote]BR........... 1:18.996 .......* Ron Schimmelpfenning MSCC 06 Lotus Exige 25 Aug 2007]/quote]

hmpf. So I need to prepare my wagon to the extent of BR allowances, and I've got to get mid 1:18s. I was just fine when it was only a mini cooper S with a 1:24 to beat, but that 1:18's going to be a challenge...

--sarge

[Dizmm]

seems like you just destroy tires in general there

yeah BHF and I have a love/hate relationship.

[TomKat]

I checked his number, its Richard Mattson.

BHF High Speed AutoX:
3T...82....Mattson, Richard....SCSCC...Mbr....1:22.198.....1:21.037... ..1:21.269.....1:21.423.....1:20.690

.

145 Hille, Tom MSCC Mbr 1:21.064 1:21.905 1:21.059 1:21.914 1:21.059

So that black Vette is not even half a second faster than Zoey. I find that hard to believe.

[EVILUTION]

You have the driver mod he doesn't.

[Dizmm]

go look how he placed even at the MM high speed auto-x. right there with that cobra with the big wing.

that black vette isnt that fast i'm tellin yeah. sure its got 500-600hp, and yeah that looks and sounds fast when your standing at the long straight part of the track.

[Getsideways]

go look how he placed even at the MM high speed auto-x. right there with that cobra with the big wing.

that black vette isnt that fast i'm tellin yeah. sure its got 500-600hp, and yeah that looks and sounds fast when your standing at the long straight part of the track.
The car itself is very fast , when i was behind him last year it was obvious the driver wasnt pushing it anywhere near its limit , how much more is in there is what i would like to know

[Dizmm]

this is what i've been saying for a while. if a car is hard to drive, and not consistent, what’s the point. sometimes a slower but more consistent car (a car that is easier to drive) will be faster.

Dennis Grant has a good write-up about driver consistency. http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets3.html

[Dizmm]

few pics Paul happen to snap off at BHF. thanks paul!

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s330/Dizmm/BHF2010/IMG_0074.jpg

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s330/Dizmm/BHF2010/IMG_0250.jpg

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s330/Dizmm/BHF2010/IMG_0166.jpg

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s330/Dizmm/BHF2010/IMG_0163.jpg

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s330/Dizmm/BHF2010/IMG_0147.jpg
^ for some reason this one didnt like getting resized and looks all over sharpened.

[devlish]

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s330/Dizmm/BHF2010/IMG_0250.jpg

sweet pic!!! can i get the full sized emailed to me?? thanks Paul and Andy!!

[EVILUTION]

Wait are you talking about the same Black Vette we chased last year? That car would be significantly faster with some Hoosiers and TK behind the wheel. I suspect he drives it at 80% to avoid going off track and wrecking his $60k vehicle. Those things aren't rally inspired you know.

Not only that but I don't think that those cars have hella power under 100mph. I was sticking to him in the straights at 20psi. I'm confident I would have wasted him in a one lap battle from a dig at BHFs. I suspect that would be different at Road America.

[Getsideways]

ive had serious thoughts about buying a car like that , not sure i want the old man tag or inability to haul as much stuff/people around as i do though

[Extremedsm]

Well I did not get a good or bad opinion of the track. It was way too damn hot out, my back hurt like hell and flopping around in my seat due to no harness bar did not help.

I got to play chase with Dizmm for a couple laps and it was very scary. My suspension is shot and the car is really bouncy. Guess it is time for some new parts...

[Dizmm]

this is the car we are talking about:
http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s330/Dizmm/IMG_5222-1.jpg


BHF is not a power track. I got a chance to play chase with Ryan with his e85 powered evoX which has 450 some whp or more, and even on the straight, i stayed really close to his bumper with him gaining maybe a car, two at most on me. we were both running street tires.

[EVILUTION]

My suspension is shot and the car is really bouncy. Guess it is time for some new parts...

Interested in some Ohlins?

[Dizmm]

look at this crap cheap suspension:

http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af206/autoxusa/5-30-2010%20usa%20autox/5-30-10AutoXUsaRaceway724.jpg

[Deadly_Evolution]

I'm curious to see how my car would have looked in that corner for comparison. Over all I love my new legs so far.

Also.. Franks old uber suspension did the same thing in corners, and yours does also. (lifting a wheel) I know he seems to have other issues also.. I think the spring rates are way out of wack on his current set up.. Wrong springs in the wrong places and the whole 9 yards. My Megans did not perform in such a bad mannor at all.

[EVILUTION]

I stopped at the chevy dealer in Wausau tonight. They had a black corvette there.... sticker was $57k and it wasn't even a Z06. Holy fuck!

[Dizmm]

I'm curious to see how my car would have looked in that corner for comparison. Over all I love my new legs so far.

Also.. Franks old uber suspension did the same thing in corners, and yours does also. (lifting a wheel) I know he seems to have other issues also.. I think the spring rates are way out of wack on his current set up.. Wrong springs in the wrong places and the whole 9 yards. My Megans did not perform in such a bad mannor at all.

i was just giving him crap, nothing in this picture says crappy suspension. However his megan's dont perform well at all, probably because they are blown. I drove his car before at shawano and it didnt seem too bad, but after driving it sunday, i think things got worse.

[snoxracer183]

Psssh, that Z06 had nothin' Devlish even got ahead of him ;)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/snoxracer183/BHF%20HPDE%205-29-2010/DSC_0307.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/snoxracer183/BHF%20HPDE%205-29-2010/DSC_0311.jpg

[Getsideways]

kinda weird how no-one seems to have shots of my car lifting a wheel .......hmmm

[Dizmm]

kinda weird how no-one seems to have shots of my car lifting a wheel .......hmmm

lifting a wheel usually doesnt happen at high speeds.

pic from shawano, i can see the wheel coming off the ground.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/4654581925_b3299996d4_b.jpg

lifting a wheel isnt an all bad thing.

[EVILUTION]

All EVO's lift a wheel when driven hard. Though a good suspension provides enough droop travel to cover most range of motion.

[VPT]

Psssh, that Z06 had nothin' Devlish even got ahead of him ;)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/snoxracer183/BHF%20HPDE%205-29-2010/DSC_0307.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j224/snoxracer183/BHF%20HPDE%205-29-2010/DSC_0311.jpg




Is that Kurt or Katie?

[stpdk]

Is that Kurt or Katie?
cant tell lol same car :cool:

[Deadly_Evolution]

LOL I'm NOT one to talk smack, but I can't not say it. ATM.. Kurts car def. LOOKS more girly than Katies.

[Dizmm]

ha those wheels do look a but pink with the way the sun is hitting them.


some brake fluid boiling points:
ATE® Super Blue (DOT 4), dry boiling point of 536F, wet boiling point of 396F.
Motul® RBF 600, dry boiling point of 593F, wet boiling point of 420F.
Castrol SRF (Dry 590/Wet 518)

Time to spend $75/liter for SRF. You should ignore the dry boiling point, as brake fluid is never 100% dry, even right after you flush it through.

[snoxracer183]

So with SRF you wouldn't need to bleed the brakes as often then correct?

[Dizmm]

^ thats what they say. my plan for years to come is to buy a fresh bottle of SRF, and do a flush right before BHF.

[ragdoll]

LOL I'm NOT one to talk smack, but I can't not say it. ATM.. Kurts car def. LOOKS more girly than Katies.

History often repeats itself.

Kurt and his IS300
http://www.pbase.com/cdandar/image/101855383/original.jpg

[devlish]

LOL I'm NOT one to talk smack, but I can't not say it. ATM.. Kurts car def. LOOKS more girly than Katies.

hard to tell in the pics, becuase the sunlight if different on both shots... but they are deep red. they match my bike rims nearly perfect actually.

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s330/Dizmm/BHF2010/IMG_0250.jpg

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn157/devlish/Summer%202009/STI%20ZX6R%20Fall%20pics/DSC_1282w.jpg

at least my STi was there and being driven hard all day in the heat. not sitting home with excuses :-)

[Getsideways]

ha those wheels do look a but pink with the way the sun is hitting them.


some brake fluid boiling points:
ATE® Super Blue (DOT 4), dry boiling point of 536F, wet boiling point of 396F.
Motul® RBF 600, dry boiling point of 593F, wet boiling point of 420F.
Castrol SRF (Dry 590/Wet 518)

Time to spend $75/liter for SRF. You should ignore the dry boiling point, as brake fluid is never 100% dry, even right after you flush it through.

I ordered endless rf650 which seems to be at a similar level as srf but supposedly takes on moisture at a slower rate
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/997-gt2-gt3-forum/560529-endless-rf650-brake-fluid-review.html
http://www.endlessusa.com/chemical/rf-650/
Its more important to look at the hygroscopy as that determines how fast it will reach those advertised wet points , and where it ends up after them

[Dizmm]

i have red good things about that endless stuff. its twice the cost of SRF, but does come in a metal can. lower wet boiling point but yes they do say it’s more resistant against moisture. hmm...

[devlish]

my ATE SuperBlue was fine. however, either my driving skill has improved, or my tires allowed for slightly faster cornering, because the same pads (Hawk HP+) did great last year at this event, but i could tell i was lacking in brakes a little this time.

the overboost bulsh!t on the front straight was annoying though. race gas helped a little bit however. at an AutoX i'll be fine, it was just creeping a little in 4th & 5th gears above 5k RPM

[ragdoll]

I did two trackdays with the same ATE Superblue in my motorcycle and when I bled the front calipers it came out LITERALLY looking and feeling like tar.

I have nothing else to compare it to and it's a different application than a car and at much higher speeds... just thought I'd throw it out there anyways.

[devlish]

i cannot imagine it would even work well, if at all, coming out looking like tar. wow. Ragdoll, you run the same ATE SuperBlue in your bike that is run in cars?? they use the same fluids, right?? or is it a specific bike brake fluid?? my bike could use a flush too actually, just for kicks, and i have an extra full bottle of ATE here...

[Getsideways]

i have red good things about that endless stuff. its twice the cost of SRF, but does come in a metal can. lower wet boiling point but yes they do say it’s more resistant against moisture. hmm...

endless is the same price...
If you search reviews theres a lot of porsche guys using it and its the most widely used , winning fluid on the market

BTW i just ordered mine last wednesday was 155 shipped for 2 liters , they come in .5 liter bottles

[Getsideways]

http://www.vividracing.com/blog/announcing-new-products-specials-and-info/endless-brake-pads-and-brake-fluid-dominate-in-motorsports/

[ragdoll]

Yeah, same brake fluid is used in bikes and cars. I use the Motul stuff that Dizzle uses, now. Forgot the name of it off top.

[SgtRauksauff]

re: lifting tires on cars.. The Green Porsche in group 2 was lifting his inside front going around corners, I saw when instructing the guy in the black S2k.

re: BHF not a power course. very true to some extent. Case in point, my AE86. I almost wish I'd gone out in group 3 just to chase you guys, to see how I fared. Only time anyone was even close to my tail in group 2 was after turn 6 and after turn 7. The white forced-induction S2k looked promising, but then faded from sight during turn 2. If they were on my tail at the end of turn 1, by like one car length, they usually only caught me at the kink of 6A. I think I was only getting around 95-100ish after the bridge. if the car has a LOT of usable power, and enough stick to make it through the inside bits, there are enough straight parts or gentle turning parts to make it hard on us low-power guys.

--sarge

[snoxracer183]

Every track is a HP track. Give me 100hp more and I will make even the small straights at tight tracks go by that much faster

[05Saab]

Every track is a HP track. Give me 100hp more and I will make even the small straights at tight tracks go by that much faster

Yeah, but then you need the driver and other mods to handle the power. You can't just have horsepower

[the-moss]

I'm so glad I didn't read this thread until now.

[snoxracer183]

Yeah, but then you need the driver and other mods to handle the power. You can't just have horsepower

All other factors equal, same car + more HP will mean faster lap times. You can go the same speed all the way around the rest of the track as before and be faster in the straight stretch.

[05Saab]

All other factors equal, same car + more HP will mean faster lap times. You can go the same speed all the way around the rest of the track as before and be faster in the straight stretch.

True....but you will either need to stop better then, or turn better. since you are now moving at a faster rate. otherwise you will be slowing earlier which will lose you time.

[Getsideways]

I'm so glad I didn't read this thread until now.

now thats funny

[DontStopMe]

I keep watching this battle footage over and over, good stuff! Video should be up on Friday.

[TomKat]

True....but you will either need to stop better then, or turn better. since you are now moving at a faster rate. otherwise you will be slowing earlier which will lose you time.

No. At a track like Blackhawk HP is an advantage. If the cornering and braking are equal the higher HP car will be faster.

[EVILUTION]

Yeah, same brake fluid is used in bikes and cars. I use the Motul stuff that Dizzle uses, now. Forgot the name of it off top.

If anyone needs something better than super blue and cheaper than SRF, I have 10 bottles of Motul 600 that I'm willing to sell here an there.

Its more expensive than the blue stuff but it does work better and comes in smaller bottles so you can bleed with fresh fluid and not ruin an entire quart of fluid.

[Dizmm]

^ they come in plastic bottles, so it doesnt matter if its unopened, its already spoiled.

[Draven8795]

Wait so your saying because its a plastic bottle water has already been introduced to the fluid?

[Dizmm]

Wait so your saying because its a plastic bottle water has already been introduced to the fluid?

basically, metal cans are best. which is another reason I’m leaning towards the Endless fluid.

[VPT]

Glass would be best.

[SgtRauksauff]

make sure you get the brown bottles, because the green bottles or clear bottles let in light, and spoil the beer, er.... brake fluid....


--sarge

[Deadly_Evolution]

basically, metal cans are best. which is another reason I’m leaning towards the Endless fluid.


Info on product please and price?

[EVILUTION]

^ they come in plastic bottles, so it doesnt matter if its unopened, its already spoiled.

It's funny really.

I was about to tell you not to change your brake fluid with every tank of gas, until you said SRF. ha, not sure why you want to run that endurance brake fluid. Sure its good stuff, but if your gonna spend the money on that, i'm not sure why you haven’t splurged for the hoosiers yet.

One "off" and you sing a different tune.

[Dizmm]

One "off" and you sing a different tune.

yup, wont make the same mistake twice. I never claimed ATE was the be all end all of brake fluid. It worked for me up until BHF, now I know I need to upgrade.

Doing a little more reading and i cant say its the entire fault of the brake fluid. More brake cooling is needed for the evos. Those 2in cooling ducts wont even cut it. I think a properly setup undertray with scoops directing air to the wheel wells is whats needed for mulitple hot lapping around BHF.

[Getsideways]

Info on product please and price?
I just posted it all over this thread 2 pages ago

[EVILUTION]

I agree. Ducting is needed and it may require force feeding above and beyond that of a funnel on the nose. Whether it's 3" hose or 2" hose doesn't matter unless its betting force fed by electric fan because the inlet to the rotor core is significantly smaller than both. I posted this on the mods thread along with the SRF discussion. I also think a high quality rotor will help.

Additional air flow via undertray will require the removal of heat sheilds which then requires protection of the ball joints and various sensors.

Pad choice and how you lean on the brakes also makes a very large impact. I prefer to ninja kick the brakes at the last second. Some say this upsets the car but I haven't noticed this.

I had a much bigger problem with brakes when I was on street tires. This was especially true with the XP12 pads as they would over power my tires and sometimes cause ABS to step in. Since the move to R comps I've only lost my pedal one time and that was after entering the pits at BHFs with next to no cool down.

I'm sure the step up to Motul, RB rotors, ti shims, and ST47 pads is more than enough for my power levels.

[ragdoll]

I bet VPT could fabricate an undertray that feeds air up into the brake area. This is how Audi's brake cooling system works. Little slots on the undertray that contort air to blow into the caliper/rotor for cooling. You'd have to do some R&D before you'd have something that actually has an impact on the heating. Would be hard to measure results, I think.

Rotor design will help too.

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200701/2008-audi-r8-81_460x0w.jpg

Dont' having slutted rotors do anything(other than cheesegrate your pads apart?)

The Lexus IS-F wheels are designed to pull air in from the outside like a fan. Pretty good idea.

http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/0/g/8/1/ag_08isf_wheelbrake.jpg

Or you could just do this... ha.

http://cache-01.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/12/500x_gtrblog-nismofesta09-112.jpg

[TomKat]

GM designed wheels to work like fans way back in the early 80's.

[Getsideways]

i like the huge indy car doughnuts their using now

[SgtRauksauff]

heat/dust shield mod.. take a cutoff wheel, cut three sides into the shield, leading the trailing (rear of the car) side un-cut. bend along that side, you've got a little scoop/angle feeding air through the shield to the rotor...

--sarge

[EVILUTION]

Sarge...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Hsun/EVO9/brake%20heat%20shield%20project%20111009/pic023.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/black95tt/IMG_5839.jpg

People are adding shields to the boots and sensors
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h287/gshoffman/DSC_0100-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Hsun/EVO9/brake%20heat%20shield%20project%20111009/pic049.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Hsun/EVO9/brake%20heat%20shield%20project%20111009/pic048.jpg
But as you can see here.... there very limited access to the rotor core:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Hsun/EVO9/brake%20heat%20shield%20project%20111009/pic046.jpg
This is the size of hole you are feeding cool air into. It has to be forced into the center of the hub and the small inner hole is all you have to work with.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q18/jid2/103_1384.jpg
I would have have one hose... with hi-flow fan like this (but I wouldn't block my oil cooler):
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n255/18bora/IMG_1757.jpg?t=1274051467

[Dizmm]

no need to add a shield, there is already one there stock.

[VPT]

The Lexus IS-F wheels are designed to pull air in from the outside like a fan. Pretty good idea.

http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/0/g/8/1/ag_08isf_wheelbrake.jpg





That has been used forever on all kinds of cars. Even hub caps are designed as fans to pull air out of the wheels.

http://www.innerauto.com/includes/images/Inner_Auto/Chrysler_Parts/Chrysler_Parts/Chrysler_Hubcaps.jpg

Just having a wheel with strait spokes will act as a fan and pull air from the inside out (centrifugally) like the heater blower fan in cars. That is why brake rotors have vanes.

[VPT]

Sarge...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Hsun/EVO9/brake%20heat%20shield%20project%20111009/pic023.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/black95tt/IMG_5839.jpg

People are adding shields to the boots and sensors
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h287/gshoffman/DSC_0100-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Hsun/EVO9/brake%20heat%20shield%20project%20111009/pic049.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Hsun/EVO9/brake%20heat%20shield%20project%20111009/pic048.jpg
But as you can see here.... there very limited access to the rotor core:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Hsun/EVO9/brake%20heat%20shield%20project%20111009/pic046.jpg
This is the size of hole you are feeding cool air into. It has to be forced into the center of the hub and the small inner hole is all you have to work with.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q18/jid2/103_1384.jpg
I would have have one hose... with hi-flow fan like this (but I wouldn't block my oil cooler):
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n255/18bora/IMG_1757.jpg?t=1274051467



I think the fan is a great idea and mentioned that before. That way it will blow cool air on the brakes even when you are going slow around a corner (when you are using the brakes) or in someones draft. With the fans set up inline with the brake duct and still have a scoop on the front of the car so if the air pressure in front of the car is more than the fan can pump the air will blow past the fan.

[Dizmm]

https://store.nexternal.com/katech/images/Wheel%20smoke%20&%20feed%201-12-10%20048_1.jpg

http://www.sandiegoscrubs.com/C6/Caliper%20Small/IMG_0234.JPG

I like the vette's brake coolers. those brake coolers on the evo's are just too small, and i dont think enough air can be pushed into the center of the rotor to effectively cool the brakes.

[SgtRauksauff]

I like the fan idea, I've actually been thinking about that myself for quite some time. You think the EVO has a tight spot, try fitting cooling ducts to the center of a rotor with 13" wheels mounted on it....

[05Saab]

I like the fan idea, I've actually been thinking about that myself for quite some time. You think the EVO has a tight spot, try fitting cooling ducts to the center of a rotor with 13" wheels mounted on it....


So whats the rotor, like a 8" mountain bike rotor lol

[devlish]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Hsun/EVO9/brake%20heat%20shield%20project%20111009/pic048.jpg


that nearly doubles as something to direct air towards the brakes! but it's probably hidden inside the rim.

i like the cooling ducts on the Vette that Dizmm posted. wow!

[Dizmm]

I like the fan idea, I've actually been thinking about that myself for quite some time. You think the EVO has a tight spot, try fitting cooling ducts to the center of a rotor with 13" wheels mounted on it....

any ducting that goes right into the wheel is going to rip, melt, snag, and have to be replaced constantly. some leave the ducting off until race day, which is a hassle.

I think i should just take Extreme's brakes from him, he doesnt need them.

[Dizmm]

Thought this would be interesting to post.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/motor-sports/498290-ams-sponsored-929-evo-nasa-mw-blackhawk-farms-raceway.html#post8409980

sets a lap record in NASA running a 1:20.9 flying lap at BHF.

[Getsideways]

Hmm according to the video of me and cash the only clean lap without traffic but with screw ups is well under 1:19

[Dizmm]

i'm confident i could hit a 1:20 from a standing start with my evo on race tires. I think we need to start going to some of these NASA events. I think we could lay the smack down.

[TomKat]

i'm confident i could hit a 1:20 from a standing start with my evo on race tires. .

That's a bold statement.

We have to wait until Sept. to find out.

[Dizmm]

That's a bold statement.

We have to wait until Sept. to find out.

i dont think so. I think you'll hit that with your evo this year.

[the-moss]

Are NASA events standing start? I thought they were like redline events but without all the crashing.

[Dizmm]

Are NASA events standing start? I thought they were like redline events but without all the crashing.

yup, those are flying laps with all nice and warm tires. Also at the HSAX events, you start from in the pits and having to track way out for turn 1.

I think i'm going to focus on timed events only from now on.

[the-moss]

For sure you'd be able to run a sub 1:20 flying lap on race tires. I ran a 1:27.5 on street tires in the S2K, and the car has way more in it. So you and your car on race tires? No problem at all.

Do you know how your car fits into NASA in terms of classing?

[Dizmm]

I read that Hamflex ran a 1:15 flying lap with his evo at BHF. that sounds a bit better. although hamflex's car is a bit gutted and beyond a street car.

[SgtRauksauff]

I run 1:12.375 in my 323, on race tires.




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then I woke up.

--sarge