View Full Version : Center diff. '99 and up Subaru with manaul trans.
TomKat
11-25-2009, 06:27 AM
I need the retaining clip off a center diff. for a '99 and up Subaru with a manual transmission.
Nobody sells the part new as far as I know.
Draven8795
11-25-2009, 07:04 AM
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1887143&highlight=6+speed+swap
Make this fit haha. Don't have to change out any bearings that way...
Extremedsm
11-25-2009, 08:13 AM
Badger is probably paying around $80 per ton.
Dizmm
11-25-2009, 08:43 AM
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1876468
Deadly_Evolution
11-25-2009, 09:56 AM
TK post a pic up of the part. I'll see if I can help out any.
SgtRauksauff
11-25-2009, 10:43 AM
What part is it on this diagram, if at all?
SgtRauksauff
11-25-2009, 10:55 AM
Oh yeah. There's that HUGE subaru junkyard on Hwy 12/18 east of Madison, on the way to Jefferson Speedway...
Cindy's Classic Autos. Address is 300 Hwy.* 12 & 18 in Cambridge, WI. * (608) 423-4307
They might have the part you need. Can't you just go to a subaru dealer and get it? STOCK STOCK STOCK!!!
--sarge
Extremedsm
11-25-2009, 11:05 AM
I think he should take his car there and add it to their collection. Ahahahhahahhahhahaa!
Ten2doyle102
11-25-2009, 03:11 PM
Subaru's never break.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG ROFL AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Three of my friends have subies....ALL OF THEM ARE BUSTED, Or were bust at one time.... so is mine! LOL!
I am assuming this was a sarcastic comment too... :D
TomKat
11-25-2009, 07:54 PM
If the dealer had the part I'd just buy it from them. I have to buy the whole center diff. to get the retaining clip.
Junkyard is a possibility, but I don't want to have to remove a trans. then tear it apart. Hopefully someone has a junk center diff. that I can just get the clip off of.
SgtRauksauff
11-25-2009, 08:45 PM
call that place. They may very well have one apart. Can't hurt to call.
It's BS that they're saying you've got to get the whole diff. What do they use when they rebuild one? Good chance that that particular type of clip might be used in other transmissions.. Who makes that transmisison? Is it manufactured in-house by Subaru, or is it, like a TON of other Japanese cars, contracted to Aisin/Warner? Good chance of there being a stock off-the-shelf part for that somewhere, if it is.
--sarge
TomKat
11-26-2009, 01:02 PM
Center diff. is unserviceable.
TomKat
11-26-2009, 01:03 PM
I did call Subaru. They did not have the retaining clip.
mpf_supra
11-26-2009, 04:31 PM
time for a celica gt4 than you know your in good hands..
"I LOVE WHAT YOU DO FOR ME..TOYOTA"
TomKat
11-26-2009, 07:28 PM
time for a celica gt4
Hmmmm.
Posihead
11-26-2009, 07:42 PM
TK, I offer you three options of advice!
1. Call Rayome, he works for Don's Sports Car Auto Salvage.
or
2. Sell that unreliable Subaru POS!
or
3. Fix the POS then sell it before it breaks again...
I PM'ed you his cell.
Ten2doyle102
11-26-2009, 09:51 PM
Smart man... ^^^^ Hey tom, were the Head gaskets ever done on the RS before you got it? You'll want to start thinking about that soon too. They start going around 100k.
Mr. Fuji
11-26-2009, 11:24 PM
Smart man... ^^^^ Hey tom, were the Head gaskets ever done on the RS before you got it? You'll want to start thinking about that soon too. They start going around 100k.
And every bolt broke when we took it apart.
Ten2doyle102
11-27-2009, 06:08 AM
The head gaskets???? when you pulled the motor????
TomKat
11-27-2009, 07:03 AM
We didn't pull the motor. Head gaskets are fine -knock on wood-. '99's aren't as hard on head gaskets.
Even though some of the bolts were rusty as hell on Snowball not one bolt broke or gave us much difficulty when removing the trans. Even the bolts holding on the exhaust headers. I was impressed for a 11 year old car driven on the salty roads of WI.
Ten2doyle102
11-27-2009, 07:37 AM
Well...hopefully they don't give you to much of a head ache. The single cams are a little easier like you said, but are still very prone to it. My RS has blown head gaskets right, granted its a 98, but still. Its actually still driveable though.
I am very amazed that none of the bolts broke on the exhaust. What happened to the trans anyway?
TomKat
11-27-2009, 06:53 PM
E-brake usage broke teeth on one of the gears in the transfer case.
Note to self - buy an STi with electronic differentials. Problem solved.
Ten2doyle102
11-27-2009, 11:45 PM
OOoo.... Yeah, never use the ebrake on a Manual subie like that.... Sorry man!
Dizmm
11-28-2009, 07:44 AM
OOoo.... Yeah, never use the ebrake on a Manual subie like that.... Sorry man!
thats what its for!
TomKat
11-28-2009, 07:59 AM
thats what its for!
That's what I though. The e-brake works so damn good in that car too. Usually a car with rear disc brakes won't have enough power to lock up the wheels on gravel.
05Saab
11-28-2009, 10:24 AM
My car has rear discs....and it will lock up the wheels on dry ground.....Drive, Pull, Tap the brakes, and LOCK
But i will have to agree, my Nissan with rear drums was alot easier to get those wheels stopped.
Ten2doyle102
11-28-2009, 02:38 PM
thats what its for!
From what I have been told, your never supposed to pull the e-brake in the olders subies for this reason... it messes it all up!
TomKat
11-28-2009, 08:04 PM
Actually that is any AWD Subie except for the STi. Any time the tires are moving on a Subie you should not lock up the rear wheels.
Can you use the e-brake without damage on the BMW?
Ten2doyle102
11-28-2009, 08:36 PM
Not sure... I have never done that.... I can't anyway, my e-brake is busted! LOL!
I would imagine that it would do the same thing. There is a viscous coupling in my t-case that would probably toast if you did that.
paulmeisterpk
11-28-2009, 09:38 PM
Just took my 94 center diff out to look at it today. The phase one 98-older ones don't use the same retaining clip, so you definitely need a 99-up.
camaro2010
11-29-2009, 02:01 PM
post up a pic of what this retainer clip looks like,, there has to be some other type of clip you could use
Dizmm
11-29-2009, 02:02 PM
forget the clip.
Badger that POS and drive your honda.
TomKat
11-30-2009, 08:03 AM
post up a pic of what this retainer clip looks like,, there has to be some other type of clip you could use
The clip is broken and bent and it's hare to tell what it is supposed to look like so I don't think a picture would help. We thought it was a shim at first. I'm pretty sure it's not something you can pick up at Frank's Hardware.
northsydryd
11-30-2009, 10:19 AM
mabe you could try to flatten it and weld it back together?find a pic of what its sopposed to look like and make it
Is it the kind of clip like on the end of a axle that goes into the tranny? Post a pic of the shaft or whatever it goes on. I might have something around.
EVILUTION
11-30-2009, 04:35 PM
VPT... this is probably what the mess looks like.
http://i46.tinypic.com/11afrc8.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2z9ijkl.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2h6zvut.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2weyw0p.jpg
TomKat
11-30-2009, 04:47 PM
Yeah that's kind of what it looks like.
paulmeisterpk
11-30-2009, 07:24 PM
TomKat, did you get the other parts from Subaru yet?
TomKat
11-30-2009, 08:29 PM
All parts have been secured. Will be picking them up tomorrow.
What does the clip do? Does it hold a gear in place, is it a spacer, etc? Where is this pile torn apart? I'd like to see what the dilemma is.
TomKat
12-01-2009, 11:48 AM
Read about it here:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1889824
Diagrams too.
paulmeisterpk
12-01-2009, 12:44 PM
All parts have been secured. Will be picking them up tomorrow.
Cool, able to find the clip somewhere too? or not yet?
TomKat
12-01-2009, 03:24 PM
No clip.
Now:
- Did the e-brake use chip the tooth on the transfer case gear and then take out the clip.
- Did the center diff. expand from the e-brake use, breaking the clip causing the chunk of clip to break the tooth on the transfer case.
EVILUTION
12-01-2009, 04:23 PM
^ Actually... when I was looking at those shit boxes people said that problem could result from just whipping shitties! You don't even need to pull the ebrake. Its very common.
The fix is to move to WRX components but because the ratios and sometimes spline counts are different you may need to replace the entire shooting match. Translation.... sell it.
(Most likely the chips were cause by the failed clip which was cause by piss poor R&D)
TomKat
12-01-2009, 04:57 PM
Sigh.
Read about it here:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1889824
Diagrams too.
Can that be welded instead of using the clip? That looks impossible to get unless you get a whole tranny.
EVILUTION
12-01-2009, 05:54 PM
Well.... Subaru does share many internals... I wouldn't be surprised if a forester had the same ring... and foresters are much more popular than RS's. Knowledge is power... find out what platform shares that design.
paulmeisterpk
12-01-2009, 07:11 PM
^ Actually... when I was looking at those shit boxes people said that problem could result from just whipping shitties! You don't even need to pull the ebrake. Its very common.
The fix is to move to WRX components but because the ratios and sometimes spline counts are different you may need to replace the entire shooting match. Translation.... sell it.
(Most likely the chips were cause by the failed clip which was cause by piss poor R&D)
The WRX and RS use identical center differential assemblies. The only diference in tranfer case assembly is the WRX uses a 1.1/1 gear ratio instad of a 1/1 ratio.
paulmeisterpk
12-01-2009, 07:14 PM
Can that be welded instead of using the clip? That looks impossible to get unless you get a whole tranny.
That may work if a clip cannot be located. Have to be careful not to heat the viscous assembly up too much while doing it. Can't imagine that it likes excessive amounts of heat.
paulmeisterpk
12-01-2009, 07:23 PM
No clip.
Now:
- Did the e-brake use chip the tooth on the transfer case gear and then take out the clip.
- Did the center diff. expand from the e-brake use, breaking the clip causing the chunk of clip to break the tooth on the transfer case.
Not sure, but you can see the groove where the clip sits clearly. I would think that if the diff expanded enough to pop the clip out, then it wouldn't have shrunk back to the original size, but who knows. I would carefully weld some spots to hold the diff together if you can't find a clip in the next few days.
Either way, the only way you're going to know if the diff is working properly is to put it back together and run it. If it doesn't work, source a used one, and we'll pull it out again. Only took an hour and a half to get it out of the car the first time right?
EVILUTION
12-01-2009, 08:02 PM
I'm pretty sure the center diff can be changed with the tranny still in the car.
I would think that there are WRX enthusiast shops just like there are for EVOs ... something like TRE that would have a shitload of parts in a parts bin. Have you called any of them?
If you plan to weld it.....here is your how to:
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/powertrain/27532-converting-awd-2wd-rwd-w-pics.html
paulmeisterpk
12-01-2009, 08:34 PM
I'm pretty sure the center diff can be changed with the tranny still in the car.
I would think that there are WRX enthusiast shops just like there are for EVOs ... something like TRE that would have a shitload of parts in a parts bin. Have you called any of them?
If you plan to weld it.....here is your how to:
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/powertrain/27532-converting-awd-2wd-rwd-w-pics.html
The enthusiast shops idea is a good one.
I was just thinking of welding some spots where the clip was to keep the back plate from coming out of the diff assembly, not completly welding the internal parts of the diff together so it was RWD. I'm not sure if the back plate is supposed to spin in there, or if it is stationary.
I suppose the transfer case may be accessible if the driveshaft was removed and the trans and engine assembly was tipped down. then wouldn't have to mess around with wiring and removing the front cv shafts.
EVILUTION
12-01-2009, 08:50 PM
Yea the RWD conversion thing is over the top but it has decent pics .... and also eliminates the same clip.
As for the diff pulling ... it appears removing the driveshaft and disconnecting the shift linkage from the tranny is all that is required. Almost as easy as an EVO front LSD!
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