soo were having problems with this eclipse, 96 gts with a 6-bolt swap

[Projekt_2nr]

the car belongs to patrick gies, andy did the timing awhile back 180 backwards and got it to idle, patrick left it alone for a week and now it wont idle, it tries and tries but no go.
can anyone solve this problem?

this is what it looks like

[DontStopMe]

why is this in the site support section?

PS, the problem is your mas air flow sensor not being hooked up. :P

[Projekt_2nr]

why is this in the site support section?

PS, the problem is your mas air flow sensor not being hooked up. :P

those are just pics of what the car looks like, trust, everything is hooked up

[Dizmm]

well if those pictures aren't current, then their irrelevant.

[Projekt_2nr]

well if those pictures aren't current, then their irrelevant.

whats wrong with the car andy?
were working on it sunday

[Dizmm]

Oh this is pats car? I know what the problem is. Oil pan has to be replaced first.

We had it running good, then a few days later he said it wouldn’t start. I went and checked it out again and there was no oil in it. We added some, and 3 seconds later oil was all over the ground. It barely turns over because there is no oil at all in that thing. Hopefully once a new oil pan is put in along with fresh oil, she should start up again.

[patrickgies]

Hello all, when i drained the car the following day, it had 5 quarts of oil. the reason it had 5 qts of oil in it was because it had 4 qts already when we were trying to get it started and then andy added one more qt of oil because we thought it was low. the dipstick tube is too long for my car because i just added another 4 qts of oil to the car, nothing is leaking out and nothing is appearing on the dipstick yet.

so, i dont think its low on oil because we are draining it again as we speak and its pouring out about 4 qts again.
So, going back to the original issues. I need to get a new oil pan yet and need to know why its starting to smoke my starter??


Any help would be great.

Is there a way to over fill it. Because when we added the oil with andy it started to come out by the turbo to return line area. Does oil go through the entire car when added it or does it just go and drain to the oil pan and when you drive the car it pushes it through the entire car??

[TheSolMan]

you should take it to a shop

[Posihead]

Seems like the problem is having someone who doesn't know what they are doing give you advice, oh and wrong parts.

[benben84]

Perfect example of why I avoid touching cams or timing belt.

You may need to take it to a shop or have a mechanic take a look at it with proper tools and see if the timing is indeed spot on. Have you pulled the plugs to see if each of them are sparking? CEL codes?

Was this car running at all earlier?

[Ten2doyle102]

Did you try to fire it up with the timing that far off??? I am pretty unfamiliar with those cars, but wouldn't you have several bent valves? I know on my car your sure as hell would. Its not unheard of that if you did try to fire it up and then realize that your timing was off, fix it and try again that it would run. The question would be how long would it run like that. I could be wrong about that, but that would be my first problem.

As for the oil problems. Being 1 qt low on oil isn't going to stop the car from running. My gf's subie ran on 1 1/2 qts of oil before it finally threw a rod bearing..

[Dizmm]

That car had NO oil in it, the oil was coming out the hole for the oil return line bolt on the oil pan. When turning over before, the starter could barely get the motor to turn and when I tried by hand, I had to put nearly 200ft/lbs of torque to turn it.

The timing was exactly 180 degrees off, so the valves were ok.

Pat, hopefully this week I can make it down there to check it all out. I've been busy this week with home owning responsibilities.

[Ten2doyle102]

Something majorly f'ed in that motor..... 200ft#s to just spin the motor dry or not is insane....

Then again, what do I know since I have no background in those motors. When it was running, was it running well? Meaning idling smooth and revved nicely?

[patrickgies]

No it had oil andy, i know it did because when i drained it the day after you left...it poured out over 5 qts. it was brand new oil and clean as it could get. Then I poured 4 brand new qts in and it hasn't leak anything yet. But when I try to get it on the dipstick..it doesn't read anything.

I know it has oil because i put a pan around the bottom and it hasn't leaked anything. And then we drained it yesterday again and it had 4 qts again. And i saw the oil draining and dripping down the entire return like when you were down last. This is what confuses me because if it was coming out of the returnline oil pan hook up, how would it go out the return line??

The only reason I know that it isnt leaking anything is because I keep pouring in 4 qts everytime i come down and it doesn't leak. Then a week later I drain it to make sure I didn't miss anything and it pours out to be about 4 qts again. Almost fills up the container it came in. I have done this for a little over a month now just to double check for leaks.

So, it has no leaks and the only leak it came from was, what i think, the turbo to oil return line, since i see oil up and down the return line.

[Dizmm]

the bolt was missing that holds the oil return line onto the oil pan. That bolt goes right through the oil pan and if not put in, oil will come out. I specifically remember that bolt not being there and you said it was stripped, which was the reason for you needing a new oil pan.

200ft/lbs was an estimate, and it wasn't that hard but the more we kept turning it over the harder it got until we figured there was no oil in there at all. And when we added some, it instantly came pooring onto the ground.

If it now holds oil, then the motor should start to turn over a bit more freely and the starter can now turn the motor over faster than 1rpm.

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[Ten2doyle102]

LOL! nice! You can buy mine!

[6speed-Kate]

I know the problem and have a solution...

Problem:Three letters DSM
Solution: buy a Honda

[Dizmm]

I know the problem and have a solution...

Problem:Three letters DSM
Solution: buy a Honda

the solution sounds simple, but thats like saying, if you dont want kids, dont have sex... but people keep doing it.

[ZXTUNER]

sounds to me like a bad ground if its smokeing the syarter i hade the same problem in a truck and it was a bad ground

[Dizmm]

the reason its smoking the starter was because there was no oil in the motor and the starter was having a super hard time turning the motor over.

[northsydryd]

wheres this car located? il look at it if its not to far away.if the pan has a nice leak in it and its hard to turn over it was prolly seized up and broke free.which means drive it and wait for it to grenade.

if anything was wrong with the valves it would turn over easy .if its hard to turn over it either means kick ass compression.or everything inside muffed up and just grinding against eachother .even if the car was dry it would still be easy to turn over

[Posihead]

Just give up on the car and sell it to Extreme for $75.........

[DirtyBird]

check to see that one of your adler pullies or your alternator pully is able to freely spin wen the engine is running. I have seen it where bad bearings in a idler of alternator put so much load on an engine that the engine barely runs or will not run on its own. that would burn out your starters really fast.
especially if you had just worked on the timing belt. check your belt tension also.

[patrickgies]

Hello all, i will try all of these ideas this saturday 8/15/2009

I am willing to pay 30/hr to have someone come down and work on it with me and get it started ah ha.

But seriously I am willing to pay 30/hr and my phone number is 7154594861 text or call me. bring whatever you would need to bring if you don't think i will have it.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUGGESTIONS AND IDEAS

[northsydryd]

where is it?

[Projekt_2nr]

where is it?

apache ave. just past pritzle's gas station in rome wisconsin, 15miles south of wisconsin rapids