Autocross at USAIR (Shawano) July 12th

[TomKat]

Who's going this Sunday? Autocross USAIR July 12th.

Unfortunately there is a USAIR surcharge on the event. An extra $10 for competitors, but it's worth the extra cost for running at this excellent track.

[WhiteEightBall]

I know I said I could make it on fvscc. But I can't. Car seems to have on and off problems for the past week now.

Going to Iola today, in the next 20 minutes, to see if I can find a scangauge II at the swap meet.

[Getsideways]

im going

[3ftcivic]

I plan on being there. The Shawano autox is always a good time, very unique cars tend to show up. This was the first event I had ever participated in.

[krazyk]

ill be there.. ohhh and guess what!!! I HAVE TIRES THAT ARENT BALD!!! lol hopfuly these new tires performan decent haha. im sick of slipping and sliding in my conquest

[Dizmm]

im going

shit.

[05Saab]

Tomkat..what time is everything starting? I work at 3, but if I could at least get my begginers runs in, that would be fun! So could I be done or have a decent amount of runs in by 1:30ish u think?

[VPT]

Unfortunately there is a USAIR surcharge on the event.




Is that like a Big Erv fuel surcharge?

[devlish]

can't make it. :-(

looking for another lapping day here though, or a bigger track.

[Formula95]

If weather is nice I'll be there

[VPT]

What time?

[TomKat]

Normal times:

9am to 10am registration.
10:40am drivers meeting
11am first car out.

05 Saab - we can work something out.

[05Saab]

Ok cool...I just want to try it out and make some runs. I'm fine with going early to help out too. Just let me know sometime.

[Jettaman]

Ill most likely be there!

[SgtRauksauff]

The car's almost ready to go. And looking mean and hungry...
http://sharkpork.com/gallery/d/2444-2/P1000932.JPG

I still need to get some sort of camera-mount set up inside. I wish the new injectors would've had the filters and pintle caps on them, and I wish my exhaust wasn't so crappy. And I wish I had some r-comps to drive on. ah well.

--sarge

[VPT]

Those 615's will be plenty.

[SgtRauksauff]

Sure, the 615's will work, but I won't quite be able to hit the corners as hard/fast as I usually do, and bring out the car's full potential.

I'd REALLY like to find some 13x8 or 13x9's and run some v710's or A6's.

--

[VPT]

Are you bringing this car to shawano?

[GSR_jake]

i'm coming, fixed my broken sway bar ends, from Marshfield autox, and got new pads.

[VPT]

Poopy needs a brake bleed.

[Getsideways]

if you need help bleeding LMK im done with work for the day

[VPT]

I;m trying to find a package that fedex lost.

[TomKat]

And I wish I had some r-comps to drive on. ah well.

--sarge

I thought you had a set of uber wide Hoosiers? On fancy rims too.

[abot316]

if the weather is nice, I'll be there

[paulmeisterpk]

abot, I love your sig picture.

[VPT]

Brakes are bled.

[paulmeisterpk]

Wish I could make it this weekend. I've never run an auto-x at shawano, I'm sure it would be a blast.

[Formula95]

I won't be showing just bought a crown vic and need to get that running

[turbo chick]

I'll be there!!! :)

[SgtRauksauff]

I thought you had a set of uber wide Hoosiers? On fancy rims too.
I do have them, but in order to make them fit on the front, I need to do a bit of bodywork. Here's a pic of just the rim mounted, you can see that it's quite a bit past the fender lip.
http://sharkpork.com/gallery/d/2178-2/rewindFenderView.JPG
Those are only 7" Konig Rewinds, and the tires are 225/50-14's, with nearly 10 inches of contact patch. I think I might need better than the 8kg/mm (450lb/in) springs in the front and 6.25kg/mm (350lb/in) in the rear. Wider tire, more leverage, effectively reduces your spring rate.

Plus, I haven't got around to getting the valve stems in the wheels and getting them mounted yet...

What I REALLY want are some 255/50-13's on some 13x10 rims.... Here are some A6's on another AE86..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Vanimaniac/Dans%20Car%20Pics/Picture037-2.jpg




Are you bringing this car to shawano?

Hell yeah I am. It's inaugural event was supposed to be the MSCC one at the Dells last weekend, but stupid parts store gave me the wrong brake MC.

So, I got a new one instead. And put on some SS lines. And a new clutch master and slave. And some ATE super blue...

http://sharkpork.com/gallery/d/2364-2/P1000891.JPG

purrrrrdyyyy!!!
http://sharkpork.com/gallery/d/2424-2/P1000922.JPG

I still need to fab up an MC brace though. The firewall gets kinda flexy on these cars apparently.

So I got the HP-plusses all bedded in, and the car's rarin' ta go! I think it's fitting that Shawano will be its maiden event. I just wish Kronztek hadn't downgraded himself, I was lookin' forward to some heads-up fun!!

The car isn't quite where I want it to be though. my adj. cam gears were too loose on the cam pin, so I just put the stock ones back on. And the injectors I got didn't have the pintle caps or filter baskets on them and were missing one of the insulators. And the exhaust is a ricey 2.25" catback with a fartcan on it, when it should be 2" all the way. Unless I'm running at 155whp or above, which I'm not. And I need to get it corner weighted, and the ride height set to make sure I don't rub fenders (front right bumps a little bit sometimes under compression, but not sure exactly where it's hitting.)

You know.. basically the 'it's ok for the most part, but the project still isn't done' type of car.

And to top it off, I believe that because I've got NRCAS installed (Negative roll center adjusters), which constitute a steering geometry change (although it's actually just keeping the geometry proper with the amout the car's lowered), that puts me OUT of FSP and into SM.

--sarge

[Deadly_Evolution]

Not sure if my car will be ready since I don't have a proper set of cam gears at the moment.

[Mr. Fuji]

Sunday is WoooKayyy for me.

[TomKat]

Mr. Fuji - Can't wait to see how the new tires do at USAIR.

Sarge - Toss those braided brake lines in the garbage. Stock stock stock.

[VPT]

Never seen a problem with ss lines. That is a good problem free upgrade TK.

[SgtRauksauff]

stock stock stock was cracked cracked cracked.

And would have taken about a week to get. For some reason, Toyota doesn't have 25-year-old-car brake parts on hand. I got the braided ones in 2 days. And they are Guaranteed Forever.

Besides, Goodridge is actually the manufacturer of th OEM lines in several cars. So it kind of is stock, just without the 25-year-old materials technology that this car originally used.

--sarge

[Pointdsm]

Only problem with SS lines, is dirt getting in the steel and wearing away the rubber. If you coat them though, they are better than stock IMO....

[TomKat]

Most stainless steel brake lines are complete crap. The expensive ones might be OK, but I'd stick with the OEM hoses. There was a set on the Audi. The one I replaced (it was leaking surprise surprise) was so crappy if you bent it back and fourth 3 times it would snap.

[VPT]

Better never fly in any air planes than TK, all ss lines.

[TomKat]

I would imagine the airplane SS lines would be of better quality.

[DontStopMe]

back on topic, I'll be there.

[VPT]

I would imagine the airplane SS lines would be of better quality.


Same shit that earls sells.

[VPT]

Had a blast today! Love that track! I am amazed at how well balanced poopy is! Never really noticed it until I ran this little faster event with longer and bigger corners. Completely controllable 4 wheel slides FTW!

[Getsideways]

Nice drivin on your super secret tires today VPT awesome wheather and turn out couldnt ask for anything more

[05Saab]

I had a great first Auto-x! Wish I could've stayed for the whole thing, but thanks for letting me run a couple more in my one heat. I was actually suprised at how comfortable I felt pushing my car.....This shit's like crack, here goes my paychecks! lol

[SgtRauksauff]

It was a BLAST!!!

Learning this 24+ year-old CWD car is definitely cool. By the end of the day and a bunch of funRuns, I'm starting to feel the little nuances that make the car rotate-able. Nearly a 3-hour drive each way was a hike, but well worth it. Good to put some faces to some names, too.

--sarge

[TomKat]

Thanks to all who came out again. Great day.

Some great driving by Dizmm!

[DontStopMe]

I had fun. I found a new camera angle that works pretty good thanks to TC. Thanks to everyone who let me throw a camera on there car. I wish all the vega guys would have let us know that they were leaving so we could have done all 8 runs. I had some really consistent runs in my last heat, all 3 were between 99.00 and 99.33 i believe. Guess i should invest in some real tires soon.

PS, I left my camera charger plugged in to the building with a battery in it, did anyone grab it?

[05Saab]

I had some really consistent runs in my last heat, all 3 were between 99.00 and 99.33 i believe. Guess i should invest in some real tires soon.


HAHA considering I ran a 99.2 I think maybe its time for tires for you....but what if I ALSO get some tires? huh?

[StephaniEvo]

Thanks TK for letting me drive both your vehicles. I had a really off day, but still had fun. And thanks Eric for all you're advice...I really appreciate any input that I can learn from.

[camaro_guy]

HAHA considering I ran a 99.2 I think maybe its time for tires for you....but what if I ALSO get some tires? huh?

Jeez, someone goes autocrossing one time and gets a pretty hot head :P lol jk

I'm just jealous I don't have a car able to do it. :(

[Dizmm]

Results:
PAX Results (http://www.fvscc.com/results/2009_summer/event5_shawano_pax.htm)

RAW Results (http://www.fvscc.com/results/2009_summer/event5_shawano_raw.htm)

By Class (http://www.fvscc.com/results/2009_summer/event5_shawano_fin.htm)

[devlish]

As usual... the Subaru STi piloted by Andy Smedegard takes top honors in both RAW & PAX. Nice driving Dizzm!!! congrats.

wish i could have made it... next time i guess.

[EVILUTION]

Looks like Kate is putting the smack down on the bitches!

[krazyk]

Looks like Kate is putting the smack down on the bitches!

i think its just kates hotness thats putting the smackdown on everyone..
Not to mention shes got tk's car at her disposal :D

[Dizmm]

well she had too many power adders and a lightweight helmet.

[3ftcivic]

I had a great time on sunday, awesome track setup. This was the first time I was able to run with the Koni Yellows. I learned a lot yesterday, Hopefully when I Raise the car my times will improve. Overall great day Shawano track events never let me down.

[Dizmm]

TK trying to achieve more negative lift:
http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s330/Dizmm/shawano%207-12-09/IMG_3247.jpg

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s330/Dizmm/shawano%207-12-09/IMG_3226.jpg

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s330/Dizmm/shawano%207-12-09/IMG_3196.jpg

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s330/Dizmm/shawano%207-12-09/IMG_3194.jpg

[Kiley]

i think its just kates hotness thats putting the smackdown on everyone..
Not to mention shes got tk's car at her disposal :D

it's all driver! go katie!!

[camaro_guy]

This made me giggle.


Kate w/6-speed, anything of tom's

[TomKat]

Nice pics. Dizmm.

[05Saab]

Of course no pics of me....lol

[Dizmm]

Of course no pics of me....lol

sorry man, hardly got any pictures. Its hard enough for me to even get my 7 runs in.

[DontStopMe]

sorry man, hardly got any pictures. Its hard enough for me to even get my 7 runs in.

You shoulda told me to snag some. Although I was pretty busy too with video stuff and getting my runs in, but i probably could have taken a few when i was workin the corner.

[Mr. Fuji]

Looks like Kate is putting the smack down on the bitches!

And the guys!
Great driving Kate

[camaro_guy]

Of course no pics of me....lol

I would have went if I could have used my camera. My injuries prevent me from holding the camera high enough to look through the view finder.

[EVILUTION]

Looks like Kate is putting the smack down on the bitches!
And the guys!
Great driving Kate

That's what I said!!!

[JDL1527]

I have posted a few videos of Kyle, Dale and me on YouTube. Links

Kyles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKz_UJ2kqtk

Mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc4dg4DUsRM

Dales
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZcQeuAX5AU

[krazyk]

I have posted a few videos of Kyle, Dale and me on YouTube. Links

Kyles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKz_UJ2kqtk

Mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc4dg4DUsRM

Dales
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZcQeuAX5AU

that video of the S2000 that i put the camera there turned out pretty cool

[DontStopMe]

Mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc4dg4DUsRM


That was the angle I just tried for the first time and really liked!

that video of the S2000 that i put the camera there turned out pretty cool

and I did that same spot on a convertible DSM.

I'm trying to get my compilation video going but I end up not liking everything I do. :(

[StephaniEvo]

well she had too many power adders and a lightweight helmet.
Don't you mean no helmet?

[VPT]

^ seen that, disqualified.

[Hoot]

that video of the S2000 that i put the camera there turned out pretty cool

The sense of speed is looks really intense with that position. Guess that's one nice thing about convertibles.

[devlish]

Don't you mean no helmet?

wait... i thought a helmet was required??? DQ on that run(s) then i guess... ??




also, i was not at this event, but i heard some rumors, and noticed the same thing at the last MSS event...
Dual Driver Cars... why can't they run in different heats? its makes for a real mess trying to fit them into grid to get their runs. sometimes the car is hot then, sometimes the tires too sticky... can't they just run seperate heats? wouldn't that make it a whole lot easier? just a normal grid, no squeezing anyone in... or am i missing some important reason that they have to be run in the same heats?? please explain to me.

[VPT]

^ yeah

[devlish]

^ yeah. what he said

errr... what i said.


yup.

[TomKat]

Two driver cars have to run in the same heat to make it fair. Weather conditions and various other factors can make running at different times unequal. All cars in the same class should be running in the same heats.

We had no problem with this at Shawano. MSS was a problem because of the really small turnout. Perhaps with a small turnout we could have the two driver cars run in different heats.

[Pointdsm]

Don't you mean no helmet?

Obviously I was not at this event, but if this is the truth, that is some VERY extreme lapse in judgement by the FVSCC. I would expect the board members to at least be strict having A helmet on, even if its not approved.

Thoughts of the Subie rolling over by the pit exit come to mind.

[TomKat]

Obviously I was not at this event, but if this is the truth, that is some VERY extreme lapse in judgement by the FVSCC. I would expect the board members to at least be strict having A helmet on, even if its not approved.

Pointdsm calm down. She forgot to put on her helmet and the starter did not catch it either. A small lapse in safety nipped in the bud by the end of her run.

[Pointdsm]

Your at racetrack....actively participating, and you forget to put your helmet on. Forgeting to wear long-sleeves is one thing, but your helmet? eek!

[TomKat]

Actually in a modern car helmets are over rated. There is plenty of evidence that you will be a lot safer without one on in a crash.

[Deadly_Evolution]

I'd have to agree with PointDSM here.. how the do you forget to put on a helmet? How the hell did the starter not notice this also. I don't know about some, but personally I look at EVERY single driver that comes up to the line when I'm starting. There is enough gap between runs that you generally even have time to chit chat with the driver.

[SgtRauksauff]

I'll chime in here, being as I was the starter that let her go. Yeah, I missed it. Oops.

This time around, starting was a slight PITA. The timing system can only support three cars on course at once (completely lame timing system, Dizzm... ;) ). With the elevation changes, you couldn't see all the cars at once, sometimes even two of them were out of view. So, there's the primary focus, making sure you don't send 4 cars out at once and causing a bunch of reruns, slowing the whole day down.

Then there was lining up the cars themselves. People would sit there and dawdle in grid and not get up to the freakin' line fast enough. Once they got there, people would always stop WAY before they were supposed to, and only move forward like an inch at a time, instead of just watching the starter and hitting the brakes when he said so. It always took a long time to get them lined up. So there's the secondary focus and time waster.

Then there was the fact that there were no corner workers on that half of the track. So, the starter had to keep an eye on the cones and corners, along with lining up the cars and keeping track of how many were on course at once, and keeping things run smoothly.

I'm damned sure that there were several DNF's that didn't get called, because I was lining someone up or figuring out where the other cars were. I'd turn back just in time to see a big plume of dirt, but since I didn't actually witness the excursion, I couldn't call it as a DNF. So there's the Tertiary focus and attention taker.

There was not really enough time to chit-chat at all, most of it because of people taking so long to get to the friggin' line. (yeah, it sort of pissed me off, people complaining that things were taking so long, when they were the ones causing it in the first place.)

Plus when I do starting at BHF or Autobahn or Gingerman, Grid checks that stuff before they're released to the line. Granted, this isn't a 'high-speed' track, but it's enough like it that I was sort of in that mindset and didn't have the 'check that everyone's got a helmet on' routine active.


meh.


--sarge

[Deadly_Evolution]

Wow that's not like the CWSCC, FVSCC crowd at all... I've been to 90% of the events in the past 2 years and that's never been the case, but then again we never had a shared track with another run group. Was this a small turn out or why was there a lacking of corner workers? Not normal for a Shawano event either. There is usually a grid worker also, I'll take a stab and guess no one was workng grid? Or I've got it narrowed down in my head who it would be of a few people if there actually was someone in grid, since there are a few people who don't do a damn thing when the work grid. Sarge sounds like you just had the right amount of distractions to let that one slip by as I know you bust your butt when your out there.

[DirtyBird]

Your at racetrack....actively participating, and you forget to put your helmet on. Forgeting to wear long-sleeves is one thing, but your helmet? eek!

Guy, shut the fuck up already. Nobody cares about your 2 cents bitch. Give the fvscc a little fucking credit, at least we still have the chance to race. And longsleeves?? Dude, its a auto-x in 80 degree weather???? Your gey.

[SgtRauksauff]

long sleeves would be required at a higher speed track, or if this was a lapping day. Depends on the sanctioning body, too.

There was (sort of) a large crowd there, but about 25 of them left after the second heat. (national Cosworth Vega convention).

We had grid workers too, (which I worked for a few minutes in an earlier heat while they were getting rides), but that mostly boiled down to making sure the 2-driver cars got in fast enough.

I'm not gonna over-analyze this, it was just one of those brain-farts that happens from time to time, lol!

--sarge

[Pointdsm]

Guy, shut the fuck up already. Nobody cares about your 2 cents bitch. Give the fvscc a little fucking credit, at least we still have the chance to race. And longsleeves?? Dude, its a auto-x in 80 degree weather???? Your gey.

Wow....your married with a kid and act like that????

The longsleeves comment was towards events like Blackhawk, sorry that you never have attended such events. You need to calm down dude!

[devlish]

I'm gonna put in my .02 here as well, and hope that DirtyBird doesn't care about mine either...

I wasn't at the event, just going 100% on what was posted in this thread:

Corner Workers... isn't the first car held until all corners are covered and radio'd in? If a corner had no workers, that should have been addressed before the races begin. If there's not enough workers at an event "with a great turnout" that's another issue in itself.

No Helmet... personally, i agree with TK that they are overrated in modern cars. that doesn't change the fact that FVSCC 'REQUIRES' you to wear a helmet when running. If it's only a suggestion, please let me know so i "forget" mine at home next time. this is like backing up on course, you backup you get DNF or DQ, it's not a suggestion, it's a rule. like any other safety requirement put into place, ie... having your battery securly mounted to the vehicle! is that a suggestion? or a must? i think tech-inspection is slacking these days A LOT as well!!! (but that's another topic for another thread i suspect) Is the helmet rule a requirement? or a suggestion?

DirtyBird... half of your comments on here lately have been very rude and over-reacted, this one included considering PDSM didn't take a stab at you personally. I completely understood the comment about a long sleeve shirt, so did Sarge. Before you overreact like that, it's a good idea to understand what you're yelling about. <-- just a suggestion.

Dual Driver Cars... I understand that the cars need to be driven in the same heat due to rain or whatever, so they can be closely compared. But that goes against itself as well, as the turbo cars are heated up, intercoolers are warm for the 2nd driver, and the tires can be stickier or slipperier (depending on the tire) so it's really not like driving the same car anyways. If the sun is shining outside, run them in seperate heats, chances of a rain cloud for one heat only is very low (but not obsolete, i was in the "rain heats" last year at MSS, so i understand that too... but how often will that happen?).

anyways, those are my thoughts. love them or hate them, i don't really care. I do think i've presented good reasoning though in those thoughts. so take them for what they are worth.

[devlish]

this is bullshit if it was anyone else do you think tk would be defending him/her so much? I guess the rules only apply to some people seeing as you can always rationalize or argue your way out of it...it doesn't matter how much safer it is without a helmet rules are rules

Thanks Nate... that's what i was trying to get at in my post too, you just beat me to it!! i took too long to reply.

[Getsideways]

am i missing something here i dont think anyone allowed anyone else to run knowlingly without a lid
It happened for one run , was an oops wasnt on purpose
No-one is suggesting the rules be broken (i dont think)

There wouldnt have been a need for corner workers at all near the starter no critical cones at all ,, except that the rule was changed at the last minute that one wheel off was a DNF the corner assignments had already come out and the starters did a great job with covering the extra assignment

[TomKat]

OMG. Katie forgets to put her helmet on for one run and you act like FVSCC changes its rules just for her. It was a mistake and it was taken care of. This happened to me years ago at a Madison auto-x. I forgot and the starter didn't catch it. It happens and it's not that big of a deal. The sun did come up today and I'm pretty sure it will tomorrow also.

Sarge - You did a fine job at start and so did all the other starters yesterday. It was an important position to keep things rolling with the large turnout that we had. Those puffs of dust that you were seeing was dirt on the track that I believe was getting exposed because we were running that part of the track backwards.

I had at least two people working grid in each heat since we had so many extra workers. I thought things went very smoothly considering the Vega people had quite a few people that never autocrossed before. They did only run one heat which really sped things up during the last heat.

Getsideways - well put.

I like how people that weren't there are making comments on this subject.

[EVILUTION]

I cannot believe you let someone on track without a helmet holy fucking shit!!! Those cars get up to 75mph out there god dammit they could be killed instantly! That was totally unacceptable Sarge and you should have a helmet crammed up your ass so you never forget to check for one.... BTW this is a complete horseshit gripe and I don't really give a shit because I drive at triple digit speeds thru school and construction zones!

I think people are jealous that Kate what hauling ass out there in an unfamiliar car. Fuggin-A!!!

Lastly dual driver cars..... WTF... how can you let people hot lap like that. That for sure makes a difference and its unfair. I'm willing to bet their first cold run was slower than their last hot run! That's proof that hot lapping fucks everyone even the unshaven hamburger grilling uncle fuckers! I'm soo pissed about this I am presenting a free open invitation to anyone that was wants to warm my car up for me. Dual driver, triple driver, quad driver..... I don't care just warm it up so its faster when I get in it. I want to be REAL FAST!! BTW... I don't give a shit about this either just fun to join the bandwagon.

PS - FUCK WIR!

[Scrad]

Sarge was probably checking out some boobies and missed the helmet. Which is completely exceptable.

[Dizmm]

yes katies a fucking slutty hoe bag because she forgot her helmet, fucking bitch!

PDSM, you never come auto-xing anymore, you cant talk.

heating up the tires is over-rated, doesnt make as big as a different as some think. no matter what, people find stuff to complain about, well ya know what, go to a fucking SCCA auto-x!

[austinj06]

No one should have to where helmets. In the TT, I had to hunch forward because my helmet was hitting the ceiling....helmets are gay!

[Tcatt]

No one should have to where helmets. In the TT, I had to hunch forward because my helmet was hitting the ceiling....helmets are gay!

until you die in a car crash

[DirtyBird]

Wow....your married with a kid and act like that????

The longsleeves comment was towards events like Blackhawk, sorry that you never have attended such events. You need to calm down dude!

i act how i want, and lstely i've neen enjoying the drama that seems to be everywhere. Attended such events? dude, you go to one track day and think your top shit-lol yeah, whatever suits you racecar driver.

devlish-dude, how i act on here and in preson are completly different, yes i know. I'm usually kidding around and giving a ton of bullshit that i usually cant hack myself. There has been sooo much drama lately, and i just am kinda sick of it. Its a internet forum, this is not the freaking law. People need to chill the hell off this place a bit. Everybody seems to be talking behind everybody elses back nowadays.

[Posihead]

Albert Pujols...

[devlish]

you guys are awesome. you want to know how much sleep i'll lose over any of this? none. so i hope no one else does either.
my post sounded serious, but i hope no one really took it that way. bad sarcasm today, i i know. Evil did an awesome job on the sarcasm though!!

however, i am a little jealous that katie got to run without a lid. you can be dam sure i'll try to forget it for at least one run next time. and i do think Tech needs to be just a little more cautious. but the rest of my post, the "serious stuff". yea, not so serious. so nobody get your panties in a bunch. i'm sure the helmet rule will be looked after much closer from here on out, especially after all this. :-)

[EVILUTION]

Everybody seems to be talking behind everybody elses back nowadays.

You ass mangaling buttfucker.... you better not be talking behind my back!

I bet you race at WIR you fucking bleeding hemroid!

Next time I see you I'm gonna kick you in the nuts so hard they are gonna pop like fruit gushers!

[WhiteEightBall]

Hey, I race at WIR!!!!


I love you guys.... girls..... whatever.

Wish everyone would stop crying about this, it's not like anything happened and everything 'was' resolved at the track.

Who's up for a BBQ this or next weekend in Marshfield? At one of the Pavilions or across the street from the Park? Anyone? I want to get people down before I make a commitment to this.

[Hoot]

Once they got there, people would always stop WAY before they were supposed to, and only move forward like an inch at a time, instead of just watching the starter and hitting the brakes when he said so. It always took a long time to get them lined up. So there's the secondary focus and time waster.
meh.


--sarge

I and the other people do that because we don't want to trip the timing lights. I know it annoys the starter but it's better to be cautious once than to waste more time by resetting the clock. Starting sounds like a pain though, good to know what they're dealing with so we can all do our part to have things go more orderly.

[VPT]

What were we talking about?

[WhiteEightBall]

Pictures and how awesome you people thought the event was?

[Hoot]

Helmets, WIR, how much WIR sucks, the plight of being a starter, cornerworking, lack of helmets.

[WhiteEightBall]

Killjoy.

[VPT]

Oh yeah, Cavikate is DQed for being the only driver in the history of fvscc to forget to wear a helmet.

[devlish]

^ good call VPT.
we should have you rewrite the rule book

[VPT]

Yeah! No R compounds in stock class!

[TheSolMan]

you don't even race in a stock class! what do you care

[VPT]

Because its just not right. Like a shift knob or pedals bumping you out of stock class, thats BS.

[mrslysly]

Powa to the People!

[SgtRauksauff]

Yeah! No R compounds in stock class!

Seconded!

I and the other people do that because we don't want to trip the timing lights.

I know, and it's understandable. But this was worse than I'd seen it in several years of starting. Maybe because this was on a slight downhill grade, but people were stopping like half a car length back, and only moving forward like 6-8 inches before stopping. THEN they'd look over at me and see me waving them forward. rinse. repeat 5 times.


Damn, this thread got long! And Evil's got some AWESOME insults going on, I love it!

--sarge

[DirtyBird]

You ass mangaling buttfucker.... you better not be talking behind my back!

I bet you race at WIR you fucking bleeding hemroid!

Next time I see you I'm gonna kick you in the nuts so hard they are gonna pop like fruit gushers!

your dam right bitch! I"m at WIR right now you cum guzzling, tree loving, secret prius loving, America hating whore! IF!!! you ever go out and see me down town, you can suck me salty ball sack, cuz thats all that you know how to do. So pease, take you imbreeding somewhere else!!! Like Bushur Racing-









-small print required so no ones pussy starts to bleed from the hurt-
none of the above is representation of my actual feelings, and is not intended to do so. If you pussy still hurts after reading this then go to tks house, suck his nob and he will delete my existance from the world because he is god here...mkay?

ok, i love you, bye bye.
:cool:

ps-good going at the autocross to everyone. Really wish i could have made this one-
ps ps. except kate, you epic fail for the helmet thing. (-)100pts
ps ps ps. VPT, DQ sounds good- (+)1000pts for you

ps ps ps ps. maybe we should hire Rich Cristensen ro negotiate the forums?? hes a cool no BS guy that wants us all to nun ALL OUT, ALL THE TIME-

[EVILUTION]

The thing about R compounds in the stock class.... it's an intelligence test. If you upgrade pedals before you upgrade tires you are an idiot and therefore deserve to be punished.

Did you know that removing fender liners or even the back seat moves you directly to Street mod? All those evo's and Sti's that remove their back seats to haul r-compounds are all SM cars!!!

Might as well do cams and a turbo upgrade since you got nothing to lose!

[TomKat]

LOL. Nice Evil. Dizmm usually removes his fender liners about half way through the event.

[TomKat]

,
There was not really enough time to chit-chat at all,

--sarge

Bad Sarge. Starter should not be chit chating with the racers. They should be concentrating on their run and the starter should be watching the course.

Bad Sarge - no cookie for you.

J/K

[Dizmm]

LOL. Nice Evil. Dizmm usually removes his fender liners about half way through the event.

Most of my fender liners were all back in... all but the one piece that runs behind the wheel, but now thanks to Clint of subieshop.com, I am all suited back up to drive in raining weather.

Who hauls race tires anymore, much easier to just drive on them to and from events.

I was just about to post that if you upgrade your shift knob before tires, your a weiner, but evil beat me to it.

[SgtRauksauff]

Bad Sarge. Starter should not be chit chating with the racers. They should be concentrating on their run and the starter should be watching the course.

Bad Sarge - no cookie for you.

J/K


....There is enough gap between runs that you generally even have time to chit chat with the driver.

....There was not really enough time to chit-chat at all,.....


Tee hee... that was in response to Deadly Evolution's comment. I was standing in the shade, and wasn't close enough to chit-chat anyway. Unless you consider "Let 'er Rip!" or "GO!!" or "Fire When Ready!!" to be chit-chat. I consider it to be proper notification to give the car some GAS GAS GAS!!!

Fender Liners? Is that like, similar to rubber sheets for people that wet the bed?

[austinj06]

until you die in a car crash

Death by car, I hear its fairly common with FVSCC, almost inevitable.

[EVILUTION]

I was just about to post that if you upgrade your shift knob before tires, your a weiner, but evil beat me to it.

Actually I was under the impression that only tires that were OE on production cars could be used. Race tires are a no no and all tires must have a measurable tread depth.

Hell even in STU you can't run tires with wear rated lower than 140.

[Draven8795]

LOL. Nice Evil. Dizmm usually removes his fender liners about half way through the event.


Well he's not doing it on purpose haha unless its his plan half way through the run to loose some weight

[EVILUTION]

I would like to hear from the pros about the race tires in stock class thing. I'm pretty sure that's a no no.

[TomKat]

Any DOT approved tire is OK in stock class. DOT tires with a treadwear of 139 and less are considered R-compounds, but are still street legal.

Full on race tires (non DOT) put you in a much higher class according to SCCA rules.

STS, STX, STU, ST, are street tire classes. Treadwear of 140 or greater. Classes designed for people who do not want to buy R compound tires.

[SgtRauksauff]

full-on slicks is a no-no, but DOT-rated R-comps is ok. I.E. victoracers, Hoosier A6's, etc..


13.3 TIRES
Any tire which is OE on a car eligible for Stock Category may be used.
Non-OE tires must meet the following requirements to be eligible for
use in Stock category:

A. The tire must not appear on the following list, which may be
altered at any time by the SEB upon notification of membership.
No tire models are currently listed.

B. No tire models will be approved for competition during the rest
of the year after April 30 of each calendar year. Each eligible tire
model must meet all requirements of Section 13.3 by April 30,
and must continue to meet them thereafter. A tire model will
normally be determined by the designation in the Tire Guide.
However, any of the following changes or similar changes (as
determined by the SEB) will also be considered to represent a
new model for eligibility purposes, even if the designation does
not change: change of tread pattern at either full or partial tread
depth; characterization by the manufacturer or distributor of a tire
as “new” after April 30.
A tire model which was previously allowed by these rules continues
to be legal until specifically disallowed. This follows
years of precedence on eligibility for discontinued tire models.
If a manufacturer reintroduces a tire model which was previously
discontinued, that tire will be considered a new model.
Therefore, it will have to meet the rules specified in SR Section
13.3 including the April 30 introduction date.

C. The model of tire must be listed in a current or previous two
years of the Tire Guide and Tread Design Guide, or otherwise be
approved by the SEB. The tire model must have Department of
Transportation approval.

D. Within each tire model, the sizes which are available must be
equally available to all competitors. Tire model variations differing
from standard specification, delivered only on a limited
basis, or only to selected competitors, may not be used.

E. No racing tire or recap (on any casing) may be used. Siping or
re-grooving of tires is not permitted.

F. Each tire model must be sold in at least four rim diameters, with
a total of at least six sizes.

G. Tire must fit the allowable wheels and fender wells without
modification.

H. Each tire must have non-zero measurable tread depth (i.e.,
points where it is possible to obtain positive measurement values)
as described in Section 3.3.3.B. Tires may not have cord
visible at any time during competition.


Dammit, there I went actually reading the rules for 20 minutes while TK just laid it down quick'n'dirty.

[EVILUTION]

If its good enough for the DOT its good enough for stock.

[Dizmm]

sts, stx, stu, st, are street tire classes. Treadwear of 140 or greater. Classes designed for people who do not want to buy r compound tires.

yeah!