Out With The ZR1 In With The ACR

[LSEGHATCH]

Viper ACR beats Corvette ZR1 lap time on Nurburgring. (7:22)

http://www.motortrend.com/av/features/112_0811_2009_dodge_viper_acr_nurburgring_record_v ideo/index.html

[TheSolMan]

Saw this it's pretty sweat--with the same horsepower as the viper. at 150 mph it has ten times the downforce as the regular viper though. :shock:
regular viper at 150=100
acr at 150=1000

[Getsideways]

That guy needs an automatic

[TheSolMan]

No shit, I wonder if his times would've been faster if he'd shifted--you stop accelerating once you hit rev limiter

[LSEGHATCH]

I'm pretty sure the guy knows what he's doing. They wouldn't have an amateur running a car of that caliber, the worst I saw was a single mis-shift, but then again I don't race.

[Getsideways]

Not saying it wouldve been huge but it mightve bought him a second or to he was off the limiter all the time.

[cashsaudio]

i was just gonna post this haha....

and its NA haha too bad ZR1 needed additive hehe


have any of you drove a viper?! the fuckin thing shifts hard I have to slam it into gear like its ready to break off but its normal because of its beafy trans... its the same with the supra MK4. I thought they didn't know how to drive and I take that back.

[TheSolMan]

He didn't look like he was having that hard of a time. I think they changed something in the tranny on the ACR version as well but I'm pretty sure it was just like a clutch of something like that. Either way it totally kicks ass, and he beat the record anyways so whatever.

[cashsaudio]

He didn't look like he was having that hard of a time. I think they changed something in the tranny on the ACR version as well but I'm pretty sure it was just like a clutch of something like that. Either way it totally kicks ass, and he beat the record anyways so whatever.

I read up on the 08 ACR but every drivetrain part is all stock from a normal viper and they just put suspension and wheels/tires on. But I not sure what they did on the 09's. But yeah i see what you mean. I wish i had that rev limiter tho lol. Mine just slam me into a brick wall. So its fuel cut not ignition cut like the ACR. I've also notice that He didn't leave 4th gear on that long straight-a-way.

Who ever was in the ZR1 was one impressive driver... wonder what he do in that viper.

[DontStopMe]

SRT says:

* That banging sound is actually the splitter. Its common for the 'ring to chew up splitters.
* There was such a stiff headwind on the back straight that it wasn't worth going into 5th. The ZR-1 only hit 178 here due to that headwind.
* The third lap was the fastest.
* They are going to be selling a DVD:

http://gallery.viperclub.org/data/500/nurscreen.jpg

[TheSolMan]

So he wasn't bouncing off the rev limiter at all then? That's cool, I kind of wanted to give this guy more credit. Still an incredible driver, but like Cash said it would be kind of cool to see the ZR1 or GTR driver take it out or even see all the guys switch cars and see if any of them can be pushed even further. I know the Viper had to be adjusted at the track to make up the time needed to beat the record, however the time that was made up was almost ten seconds so that is incredible to be able to adjust some dampening and make up ten seconds!! :shock:

[TomKat]

He was bouncing off the rev limiter. Quite a bit, but from the looks of things the Viper is not geared very will for the ring.

There were a lot of points where I would have upshifted, but obviously this guy knows what he is doing. I suppose he was so busy driving that shifting would have taken away from his concentration and result in a loss of time. Hmmm.

[TomKat]

I'm sure the car magazines will be comparing the ZR-1 and the Viper ACR at more tracks in the future. It will be interesting.

[Hoot]

and its NA haha too bad ZR1 needed additive hehe
8.4 liters versus 6.2, GM had to even the score somehow.
What's so bad about throwing some boost at a big V8 anyways?

While all the rev-limiter bouncing was sometimes hard to watch, if he would have shifted up, he would have gained 3-10 MPH - at best - for a very short period of time only to have to scrub the speed off for the impending curve.

[cashsaudio]

and its NA haha too bad ZR1 needed additive hehe
8.4 liters versus 6.2, GM had to even the score somehow.
What's so bad about throwing some boost at a big V8 anyways?
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Viper is totally stock engine from a standard engine the ZR1 isn't. Stock vs. stock with the Z06 and a regular srt-10 its been proven that the Viper wins on the track. Before...the Z06 always won the track but SRT10 finally did their homework to get this. Besides what does HP suppose to mean on a road course?

[Pointdsm]

Viper engine, STOCK. ZR1 engine, STOCK.

[TheSolMan]

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[Pointdsm]

It is factory! How can you not say the same about the ACR? I want to buy a base-model viper.

[TheSolMan]

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[Pointdsm]

The ZR1 is un-modified. Make the suspension and styling changes to the ZR1 and see what it runs. The ZR1 is a factory car, the ACR is a factory race car.

[TheSolMan]

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[TomKat]

SolMan you need to do some research before you spout off about the ZR-1.

The Z06 has a 7 liter engine.

The ZR-1 has a 6.2 liter engine.

The ZR-1 is quite a bit different than a Z06.

I would consider both cars in question here to be stock. Both can be bought at a dealer and driven without adding anything.

[Pointdsm]

But you don't have to tuned the damn suspension on a ZR1 to make it fast. This reminds me of the STI vs. EVO TopGear episode.

[TheSolMan]

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[Pointdsm]

wow, calm the fuck down dude. I re-read what TK wrote, and he didn't use any attitude. Hell, you should TK for what I'm saying, damn guy.

[TheSolMan]

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[DontStopMe]

You all bitch too much.

[TheSolMan]

In the spirit of politics I'll delete my posts.

[Getsideways]

The ZR1 is un-modified. Make the suspension and styling changes to the ZR1 and see what it runs. The ZR1 is a factory car, the ACR is a factory race car.
Their both factory cars .

[TomKat]

The Viper ACR is very adjustable, but I'd still consider that to be stock because it comes that way off the showroom floor.

In some of the magazine comparisons the Viper came with a team of engineers to tweak the car for each test they performed.

You must also consider that the Viper comes with R compound tires from the factory that are considerably stickier that the Vettes. Maybe the Chevrolet engineers with get their heads out of their buttox now the that their supercar got smoked and put some good tires on the Vette.

[Getsideways]

this thread sounds just lie GTR vs. ZR-1 ,,, They're both insanely fast and i hope someday to be able to run against both at a track day .

[Pointdsm]

Run against one? Why not own one?

[TheSolMan]

Figure the odds of either one happening.

[Getsideways]

Run against one? Why not own one?
better to embarass an 90k car then to be embarassed in a 90k car .

[Pointdsm]

Embarrased? You may lose the race, but what looks better driving down the road, a ZR1 or an EVO....?

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I state my case.

[Getsideways]

I would be more interested in a car that could overcome either not saying mine would but if it did that is prob. the car i would drool over.

[Pointdsm]

A fast and hell box on wheels doesn't appeal much to me. Thats where we differ I guess.

[Getsideways]

i guess thats why you sold your 1g then

[Greg86z28]

A fast and hell box on wheels doesn't appeal much to me. Thats where we differ I guess.

I always say that too. I would never really want to own a Ferrari or something along those lines, unless I was insanely rich and needed to get rid of my money.

I've always been interested in Corvettes (they never have been supercar status), but this is the first time the Corvette could sort of be classified in the supercar world. But I still want a ZR1. I don't know. I guess I'm a hypocrite. haha :D

[Pointdsm]

Selling my 1g had nothing to do with getting a better looking car. A cleaner 1g would have done the trick then. I wanted a more reliable, comfortable, and enjoyable car.

I would love to own a ferrari, maserati, new BMW. They might get blown off the race track from some 4-door EVO, but they do what they can, but are MUCH nicer to drive on the street. Something about driving a more refined car interests me.

[Getsideways]

I see what you mean with the whole well respected and everyone looking thing , but no matter what id rather prove it can be beat for cheaper and more practically and by a 4 door POS.
Cant argue with the looks though everyong wants to look at a viper , vette or porsche

[Pointdsm]

Did you just overlook my post? I wanted a reliable, comfortable, and clean car. Now add the fact that I take my car to the track and push it, and you find me at where I am today. Sure, its great being noticed in BMW, but thats not why I bought the damn car.

I have to disagree though. If I was driving a ferrari, ZR1, ACR Viper...and I lost to a fully stripped, supercharged, pile of poop(see the correlation), I would not feel embarrassed, ashamed, or sad. I would actually get a kick out of it, because I didn't buy a ferrari to be the fastest guy on the face of this earth. I bought it because I could buy it.

[TomKat]

this thread sounds just lie GTR vs. ZR-1 ,,, They're both insanely fast and i hope someday to be able to run against both at a track day .

I believe that argument was Z06 vs. GTR.

[Getsideways]

[quote="Pointdsm"]Embarrased? You may lose the race, but what looks better driving down the road, a ZR1 or an EVO....? quote]
Looks mean nothing to you?

[Pointdsm]

If it was a race car, then sure. But we are talking about street cars. You drive these cars everyday, racing is not huge to me when it comes to that. Winning and losing isn't always the most important thing in life.

[Getsideways]

The ZR1 is un-modified. Make the suspension and styling changes to the ZR1 and see what it runs. The ZR1 is a factory car, the ACR is a factory race car.

If it was a race car, then sure. But we are talking about street cars. You drive these cars everyday, racing is not huge to me when it comes to that. Winning and losing isn't always the most important thing in life.

[Getsideways]

Embarrased? You may lose the race, but what looks better driving down the road, a ZR1 or an EVO....?

They might get blown off the race track from some 4-door EVO, but they do what they can, but are MUCH nicer to drive on the street. Its very hard to talk about something with someone who talks in circles .
And i disagree with you saying either the zr1 or acr is more comfortable then an evo thats is one of the funniest things ive heard

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

ZR1 and the viper are 2-seaters...I highly dought either of those cars will be more comfy for the family....

on a side note, i really love my car. It has everything i want in a car.

[TheSolMan]

Wow! The main bulk of the argument has consisted of nothing but quotes that were made before the argument even got heated. This is kind of cool. Seriously this thread is like an argument pit covered in leaves to make it look like normal ground, then you step into it and fall on a bunch of sharpened sticks.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

Wow! The main bulk of the argument has consisted of nothing but quotes that were made before the argument even got heated. This is kind of cool. Seriously this thread is like an argument pit covered in leaves to make it look like normal ground, then you step into it and fall on a bunch of sharpened sticks.

ha, nice! but its not just this thread, its this entire forum!

[TheSolMan]

^^^True

[Pointdsm]

My mind switched away from the ACR, and was thinking about the GTR vs. ZO6(or ZR1) debate. Sorry for the confusion on that part.

I don't see the need or desire to have a family capable car, at my age. I love the fact that I have my BMW, which LOOKS, like you can fit people in the backseat, but now with a new harness bar and harnesses in the car, the back seat is less appealing.

Bottom-line, I never liked how EVO's look, basically the root of my arguement.

This forum is dangerous though, if you say one thing out of line you get fuckin swarmed!

[DontStopMe]

Bottom-line, I never liked how EVO's look, basically the root of my arguement.



No wonder this thread is all a screwed up, replace the EVO with a BMW in miciachs argument then. Wouldn't it be cool to see Erics old BMW take down a new viper or vette at the track? Of course it would, but Eric would still rather own the viper or vette and not take that challenge. Miciach would rather be different and own the EVO(bmw for eric) in this case. Because he cares more about beating the higher end cars at the track than Eric does.

[TheSolMan]

Miciach would rather be different and own the EVO

:lol:

I know, I know, taken out context but still kind of funny.

[DontStopMe]

Yea, I thought it was funny too after I re-read it. :lol:

[Pointdsm]

Miciach would rather be different and own the EVO

:lol:

I know, I know, taken out context but still kind of funny.

Haha!

Um, I see your viewpoint, but I'm not agreeing with it. I am not trying to beat vipers and such on the track, and if I do, its not because I have a super-cool car, its because I drove my hardest and the other driver needs some track-time.

I don't see the point in trying to embarrass people driving nice cars, unless there bring it on themselves, but thats another story.

[TheSolMan]

I try not to care who beats me--as long as I drove my car as fast as it could have been driven I'm happy. What I wouldn't want is to be beat by that guy then have him get in my car and drive it faster than I can. I'm speaking primarily of autocrosses here.