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Extremedsm
04-30-2008, 10:35 AM
Finally pulled the talon in the garage a couple nights ago. This whole deal was great fun. Started off by putting a new alternator relocation kit it and a new timing belt on it. Then put the et drags back on it, had to keep swaping tires around because the wheel weights hit the breaks. Time to start the car up. Turn the key and this horrible screaching sound comes from by the starter and the motor was not tuning over. Think the starter is bad and pull it out and nothing is wrong, check the ring gear on the flywheel and it is ok but it spins free, WTF!!!
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Last year I drove the car into the garage on the house and then it was pushed to the shop and there it sat. VPT and I took a couple hours to get the broken bolts out of the crank. VPT says wear glasses while I am grinding and I do. On the last bolt that I was going to grind I did not put my glasses on. I turn the grinder on and go fucking figure, the grinding wheel explodes right in my damn eye. We got all the bolts out and VPT chased the threads in the crank and filed the crank flat. We then cleaned up and filed the flywheel and put it all back together.
Thank you VPT for all the help, appriciate it. I owe you one!!!!!!!!!!
The new axels are in also. She was started up for the first time this year last night. She should be ready for the track soon!!!
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fordssuck
04-30-2008, 10:49 AM
So when will it be ready to line up against Jays S-10?
Extremedsm
04-30-2008, 10:56 AM
I would not waste my time with that thing. We don't want him to burn up any pistons or anything.
fordssuck
04-30-2008, 11:02 AM
True, True
DontStopMe
04-30-2008, 11:05 AM
That pretty f-in crazy. Glad you got it back up and running right away. You should let me know when you get this thing out, I would love to get some video of it!
I would not waste my time with that thing. We don't want him to burn up any pistons or anything.
if it doesnt rain you can follow my beater s-10 to wir friday night if that car is streetable
$20,000 for a car that is already built and having major issues already,, man that has to suck.
Extremedsm
04-30-2008, 03:20 PM
Don't want to follow a pile of crap truck that may start shooting parts of pistons out at me. Car is not street legal anyways. With you tuning your truck, most 15 second cars have a good chance of beating you anyways.
Greg86z28
04-30-2008, 03:28 PM
How did it manage to sheer all the bolts like that?
the question is.. will you be ready to race me..
Dizmm, (Old Account)
04-30-2008, 03:48 PM
How did it manage to sheer all the bolts like that?
When Mistu assemble the motor, I am sure they never thought those 6 bolts would have to hold nearly 1000hp.
grocerygetter
04-30-2008, 04:12 PM
How did it manage to sheer all the bolts like that?
When Mistu assemble the motor, I am sure they never thought Frank would be behind the wheel.
True, True.
Greg86z28
04-30-2008, 04:37 PM
So the guy who built the motor failed to upgrade the bolts.
Dizmm, (Old Account)
04-30-2008, 05:17 PM
So the guy who built the motor failed to upgrade the bolts.
No, what i mean by that is when the mitsu engineers designed the motor, they used the particular size of bolt and only 6 of them as that was all that would be needed for a 210HP engine. They did not engineer the motor to withstand 1000hp (approx). If they did, I bet there would be more than just 6 bolts. Think how much stress is put on those bolts.
cashsaudio
04-30-2008, 05:37 PM
I would HOPE they are arp. If they were stock bolts.... :lol:
Greg86z28
04-30-2008, 05:44 PM
So the guy who built the motor failed to upgrade the bolts.
No, what i mean by that is when the mitsu engineers designed the motor, they used the particular size of bolt and only 6 of them as that was all that would be needed for a 210HP engine. They did not engineer the motor to withstand 1000hp (approx). If they did, I bet there would be more than just 6 bolts. Think how much stress is put on those bolts.
I know what you mean. I agree, but my point was:
When the engine builder is building a 1000 hp engine, you'd figure he'd upgrade the bolts (since he's upgrading the crank and flywheel).
Furthermore,
I'm sure that the manufacturers of the crank have tested the bolts and determined 6 to be strong enough to withstand x amount of power (I'm sure they rated the bolt setup to a certain amount of power, probably beyond 1000).
Maybe it was a faulty bolt. *shrug*
No problem extreme! It was fun for me!
As for the bolts, what I saw was the bolts broke like they were twisted till they broke. They were not all flush with the crank like the crank spun and sheared them off. It looked to me like some one over torqued more than a few of them, stretched them and made them weak. Over time of hard launchs and gear jambing they broke and the remaining good bolts couldn't do the job anymore.
EVILUTION
04-30-2008, 06:44 PM
Well at least that happened at start up.
Extremedsm
04-30-2008, 10:17 PM
I took it for a ride today. Came back and did a couple launches in the driveway with the staging brake and studder box. Holy crap!!! I will have to get a video of the launch. It was great.
EVILUTION
04-30-2008, 11:54 PM
RSD?
TomKat
05-01-2008, 06:20 AM
did a couple launches in the driveway with the staging brake and studder box. It was great.
Hmmm. This sounds like fun. 8)
So the guy who built the motor failed to upgrade the bolts.
No, what i mean by that is when the mitsu engineers designed the motor, they used the particular size of bolt and only 6 of them as that was all that would be needed for a 210HP engine. They did not engineer the motor to withstand 1000hp (approx). If they did, I bet there would be more than just 6 bolts. Think how much stress is put on those bolts.
I know mine uses 8 bolts on the crank. Grade 12.8 or something along those lines.
Extremedsm
05-01-2008, 09:19 AM
RSD?
I will not go to WIR with the car. Not for your reasons but because of the huge bump at the end of the track. That bump is pretty scary when you hit it going well over 100mph.
fordssuck
05-01-2008, 10:12 AM
Use the chute!
EVILUTION
05-01-2008, 08:59 PM
So where are you going to run the car?
Extremedsm
05-01-2008, 09:14 PM
I think I may sell it. Cars are really starting to piss me off!!!
Dizmm, (Old Account)
05-01-2008, 09:33 PM
I think I may sell it. Cars are really starting to piss me off!!!
Did you get that battery tested? what were the results?
EVILUTION
05-02-2008, 01:38 AM
We've gone over this a million times. Buy a solid car, lightly mod it, and enjoy it.
Not only is car bowling boring as shit.... its silly to buy a 9 second car when you can't even race it at your local track.
Sell your fleet of DSMs and enjoy your RS.
cashsaudio
05-02-2008, 04:52 AM
I think I may sell it. Cars are really starting to piss me off!!!
I know the feeling.
Dizmm, (Old Account)
05-02-2008, 08:08 AM
We've gone over this a million times. Buy a solid car, lightly mod it, and enjoy it.
Not only is car bowling boring as shit.... its silly to buy a 9 second car when you can't even race it at your local track.
Sell your fleet of DSMs and enjoy your RS.
no, Keep your 2gb talon. That thing looks sick and I would love to see that on the street. Dv2 needs a brotha!
BadAss88GT
05-03-2008, 05:43 PM
RSD?
I will not go to WIR with the car. Not for your reasons but because of the huge bump at the end of the track. That bump is pretty scary when you hit it going well over 100mph.
There are plenty of guys going WAYYY faster than you and they deal with that tiny bump. I dont feel it at all, but I only hit 125. HUGE bump, lol.
DSM Girl
05-06-2008, 10:24 AM
We've gone over this a million times. Buy a solid car, lightly mod it, and enjoy it.
Not only is car bowling boring as shit.... its silly to buy a 9 second car when you can't even race it at your local track.
Sell your fleet of DSMs and enjoy your RS.
no, Keep your 2gb talon. That thing looks sick and I would love to see that on the street. Dv2 needs a brotha!
After some thought, I have to agree with Dizmm. I know my opinion doesn't matter much when it comes to Extreme's cars, but the black talon is an extremely sexy looking car (almost as sexy as my car :twisted: ) You should sell the red talon. You haven't even technically brought it out and already something is wrong, that's not a good sign. Your black talon could be a daily driver and how much use will you actually get out of the red one? Just my opinion . . .
Sell them all and buy a ghini! :shock:
TomKat
05-11-2008, 12:45 PM
Extreme looked into that and found out a Ghini would be too expensive.
How about a cheap ferrari or something than.
EVILUTION
05-11-2008, 06:04 PM
I would sell all that shit and just drive the EVO. Its probably a mid 11s car the way it sits. Add a 100 shot and its a 10 second reliable daily driver.
BadAss88GT
05-11-2008, 11:48 PM
I was in Miami last year for my brother's wedding. We stopped at the Lambo dealership there. It was crazy, but they did have an 04 Ferrari 360 Modena for sale, it was $180K. They had info on it, it was $20K down and $1800 a month. lol
One of these times when I go down there I WILL be renting a Lambo. I go down pretty much every summer, its $20K security deposit on a credit card which isnt a problem, but they are $3000 a day to rent. Someday...
Extremedsm
05-11-2008, 11:55 PM
I actually looked into renting one also. $3k is quite a bit of money for one day of fun.
It would be nice to have one. But, when your car almost costs as much as your house, ouch!!!
As for the talon. It is farting and poping again and I can not figure out why. I will be working on it all day tomorrow. I have a couple things that I think could cause it. We shall see........
mpf_supra
05-13-2008, 05:03 PM
NICE..
EVILUTION
05-13-2008, 05:36 PM
Did you fix the fart popping?
Extremedsm
05-13-2008, 11:45 PM
That would be nice but the answer is no. I have a couple more things I need to try but it is not looking good.
Shit is not going very good lately. Truck is still broken. 2 rebuilt injectors failed a buzz test and now I have a brand new one on the way. Not fun putting an injector in a diesel.
Posihead
05-14-2008, 11:19 AM
Uh Oh! Sounds like the DSMitus is spreading to non DSM vehicles again Extreme! :shock:
Don't want to follow a pile of crap truck that may start shooting parts of pistons out at me. Car is not street legal anyways. With you tuning your truck, most 15 second cars have a good chance of beating you anyways.
lol,, good one
I drove the pile of crap truck to wir and back without any issues and ran in the 10's and made it home with all the pistons still in the engine
Dizmm, (Old Account)
07-14-2008, 08:57 AM
Don't want to follow a pile of crap truck that may start shooting parts of pistons out at me. Car is not street legal anyways. With you tuning your truck, most 15 second cars have a good chance of beating you anyways.
lol,, good one
I drove the pile of crap truck to wir and back without any issues and ran in the 10's and made it home with all the pistons still in the engine
how did that truck make it there and back?, is there some road that goes perfectly straight right from your house to the track?
EVILUTION
07-14-2008, 09:23 AM
I would sell all that shit and just drive the EVO. Its probably a mid 11s car the way it sits. Add a 100 shot and its a 10 second reliable daily driver.
From the DSMLink part out and your attendance at the autox/lapping days it appears you have said to hell with drag racing. Good choice.
I'm sure you'll still use your EVO for the occational fun run out at the spot. I find that more fun than trailering your car, waiting in line, and getting 10 seconds of track time for every hour you are at the track.
For me, the hardest part of owning a road-race/daily driver is preventing myself from adding more power. These days its too stupid-easy to build a 10 second EVO. Some days I think I should do it and other days I think its retarded.
Dizmm, (Old Account)
07-14-2008, 09:53 AM
I would sell all that shit and just drive the EVO. Its probably a mid 11s car the way it sits. Add a 100 shot and its a 10 second reliable daily driver.
From the DSMLink part out and your attendance at the autox/lapping days it appears you have said to hell with drag racing. Good choice.
I'm sure you'll still use your EVO for the occational fun run out at the spot. I find that more fun than trailering your car, waiting in line, and getting 10 seconds of track time for every hour you are at the track.
For me, the hardest part of owning a road-race/daily driver is preventing myself from adding more power. These days its too stupid-easy to build a 10 second EVO. Some days I think I should do it and other days I think its retarded.
leave it stock and spend that go fast part money on a track day, or maybe a vacation.
EVILUTION
07-14-2008, 10:49 AM
I'm gonna mod the shit out of mine but not until something fails the needs to be upgraded.
Stroker, turbo, clutch, gearing, cams.
TomKat
07-14-2008, 10:58 AM
I'm gonna mod the shit out of mine but not until something fails the needs to be upgraded.
Stroker, turbo, clutch, gearing, cams.
Then 15 minutes later you will want a factory stock car. :?
LOL
Dizmm, (Old Account)
07-14-2008, 11:09 AM
screw modding anything, i like to drive
Extremedsm
07-14-2008, 12:55 PM
I would sell all that shit and just drive the EVO. Its probably a mid 11s car the way it sits. Add a 100 shot and its a 10 second reliable daily driver.
From the DSMLink part out and your attendance at the autox/lapping days it appears you have said to hell with drag racing. Good choice.
I'm sure you'll still use your EVO for the occational fun run out at the spot. I find that more fun than trailering your car, waiting in line, and getting 10 seconds of track time for every hour you are at the track.
For me, the hardest part of owning a road-race/daily driver is preventing myself from adding more power. These days its too stupid-easy to build a 10 second EVO. Some days I think I should do it and other days I think its retarded.
You are right. I am done with drag racing. I will drag race but it will not be something like the talons ever again. I got bent over pretty good on that talon. Gotta love how people like to screw you over.
There is no turning back now. I sold $7.5k parts off the talon already. I am so sick of it.
I will make my evo a little faster and just stick with that. Car is fun as hell. I love auto x'ing so far and need to get to more lapping days. I have lots of tires to burn up.
Dizmm, (Old Account)
07-14-2008, 01:09 PM
I will make my evo a little faster and just stick with that. Car is fun as hell. I love auto x'ing so far and need to get to more lapping days. I have lots of tires to burn up.
I foresee many people following the same steps as extreme.
Pointdsm
07-14-2008, 01:32 PM
Sounds awesome. I would love to see that Evo(and you driving of course), at Blackhawk!
i still have to yet to expierience r-compounds and blackhawk
Pointdsm
07-14-2008, 03:54 PM
First try r-compounds autocrossing. The try blackhawk with street tires. You REALLY do not need r-compounds at blackhawk to have a lot of fun.
EVILUTION
07-14-2008, 04:56 PM
Then 15 minutes later you will want a factory stock car. :?
LOL
Maybe maybe not. It should be a few years before I need to replace any of those things anyway. Depending on how many launches I make I may not even need a clutch for a few years.
I would like to build a stroker for an educational project but I'm in no hurry to start that. Besides I need a few more people to wreck so I can get a donor motor and possibly tranny cheap.
In the mean time I'll continue to watch my money market account grow!
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