Storm

[Pointdsm]

So...I get a race offer tonight from Jake(storm), for a race this summer for quite a bit of money. What has this kid done or is doing?? I replyed with a counter offer of...at shawano.

[adamvann3]

who is jake and what does he drive?

[ZXTUNER]

f150 lighting

[TomKat]

So Jake called you with this match up off for money? :x

[Pointdsm]

Um, myspace, haha.

[EVILUTION]

My guess is he put the sauce on storm. He did have the squeeze on his silver truck.

I'm not sure but I bet he could give you a run for your money at Shawano as well.

[TomKat]

I'm gonna have to have a sit down with that guy.

[TSi_II]

Well I know he was running slicks on the street and driving around up until a few days ago when he popped one....... smuT raced him (primer first gen) and lost, the Storm makes up for his launch once he hooks. I think you'd have a tough time with it.

[Pointdsm]

hmm, especially since i didn't buy a clutch to install, that means i won't have any hard launches. I do believe running race gas, at race gas PSI, with a hard launch i can beat him, or at least keep up. I doubt he can keep up at shawano.

[adamvann3]

my experiences with jake would say that he would
a.) be arrested for street racing or some traffic violation
b.) break is truck being stupid
c.) crashing his truck doing something stupid

I am just not to impressed with that guy, few times that we met. Nothing against his ride though, Lighting is a fast truck and would be hard to beat

Ill put my money pointdsm on this one

[cashsaudio]

........ lol

[TomKat]

PDSM if you put the bigger brakes on your car and then cheap out on the pads. I foresee you catching a view of the back end of a bad storm in Shawano and at the strip.

[Pointdsm]

Cheap pads, i am getting hawks, just want to find a good price. I'm doing what Evil does, have regular pads for the street, and good pads for the track.

[smuT]

i raced him and lost, didnt miss a gear or anything...that truck is fast...however i want a rematch in the spring which ill put money on

[TomKat]

Sounds like Mr. Smut and myself are going to have a sit down too.

[TomKat]

Cheap pads, i am getting hawks, just want to find a good price. I'm doing what Evil does, have regular pads for the street, and good pads for the track.

Why do you want to change them all the time???? You must like getting dirty on track days for no reason.

[Pointdsm]

Oh dirty the night before, i'll drive to the track on those pads, and I know TK, we've sat down and talked about this, I know.

[TSi_II]

Why do you have a problem with people racing for money TomKat? Gotta get a few extra bucks on the side somehow....

[TomKat]

Racing for money is just plain stupid and leads to all sorts of bad things. Worst of all from my perspective is it really discourages participation.

I've been around the block a few times in this sport and have noticed that people get really upset about losing. Now lets really twist the knife and add on the loss of $$$ into the equation.

I've raced a couple of times for money. Once was against a Monte Carlo for $200. I f-in smoked this guy bad, but ended up telling him to keep the money as I didn't want to make a mortal enemy. I have enough trouble making enemies just racing for fun. The other time was against a Corvette and the guy bailed on me. :x

A good example of people not paying up: At the Golden Sands auto x PDSM, Jake, and Jesse had a bet for $5 each. Winner takes the pot. Jake came out the obvious winner by the FVSCC competition rules. Well nobody paid up citing all sorts of crappy reason claiming that they each won.

Racing for money is something to add to the drama on TV shows and movies. It has no place in real life.

[devlish]

good point about people not paying up... and we're only talking about $5 dollars here. remember when everyone was all upset about this ordeal?? over $5!!!

i agree, race for fun.

[Pointdsm]

This was never written down, and jesse and I agreed not to pay because of the confusion, jake was no where to be found during this. The original plan was to only run the race during the daytime, which i would have won, but wouldn't have accepted money, jesse offered me the money, but i declined, jake was no where to be found. Then the night cap came and they decided to use that as well, which i was against, not because of me already winning, but that i was having enough problems at night due to my eyes and funking shit(my fault). Then when i "lost" at night, we called it even and never said a peep. We're all cool together, TK just thinks we're enemies now, when all the competition did was make us push further for our cars in the daytime, hell it was getting pretty cool near the end with all 3 of us going and uping the bar each pass.

[TomKat]

I rest my case. That's the kind of crap in the previous post that you have to deal with if you race for money.

p.s. I don't think you guys are enemies now.

[TSi_II]

Alright sounds good to me...... It's not like I'll ever have money to race for anyways.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

race for fun or go home.

[cashsaudio]

Id race for money but would be at the strip where its legal (i think)

[VPT]

Oh whats 5 bux? I think 5 dullars is worth it for the winner for his waste of time and gas on the loser. Especialy when your gas costs 4 bux a gallon.

[TSi_II]

Well I guess if it's gunna happen, it'll happen........ Just don't let TK know about it.

[VPT]

Yah TK is kinda weird when it comes to money and bare skin and tacos.

[devlish]

bare skin... tacos

2 words that may, or may not be used in the same sentance... hmmm

[TomKat]

Oh whats 5 bux? I think 5 dullars is worth it for the winner for his waste of time and gas on the loser. Especialy when your gas costs 4 bux a gallon.

Read my post on racing for money again. Yeah it's just 5 bucks, but look at all the bickering going on over just 5 bucks. Tell PDSM, Jake, and Jesse that. Just leave the money equation out of it.

[EVILUTION]

I wouldn't mind racing for money especially my race car ran race gas, nitrous, or something else that is expensive and a consumable. If you own a DSM you better race for money every damn time and hope you win because something is bound to break as the entire car is a consumable. Just kidding about that.

I like Rusty's goal to "take the respect" but not everyone thinks like that.

[devlish]

like TK said, it's not about the amount of money being wagered... it's the bitching that happens afterwards. all that commotion over $5. now imagine if you won a $50, or $100 or $200 dollar race, and were actually expecting that money to be handed over and then loser bails out. there will be a LOT of bitching going on.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

its not the money, its what money will lead too.

[Pointdsm]

Wow, all you guys think that there was a shit ton of bitching after about the money. It was a little deal that night, but jesse and I never argued over it, we just let it go. TK's theory doesn't work to well with this situation, he just thinks there was alot of bitching.

[turbo chick]

I thought that I heard quite a bit of bickering in the evening after the autox was done. When I was standing in the timing trailer I am pretty sure I heard lots of back and forth bickering and excuses flying everywhere.


I think that racing for money is stupid. You should race because you like it and because its fun. If you race because you need the money, than maybe you should get a job!!!!!

[Pointdsm]

Maybe jake asked me that, just because he beat Smut? I'm not sure about the bickering, it might have been because me hitting the rumblestrip and giving me a ride.

[turbo chick]

Maybe jake asked me that, just because he beat Smut? I'm not sure about the bickering, it might have been because me hitting the rumblestrip and giving me a ride.

I don't know............I just remember hearing 3 young boys bickering back & forth like a bunch of girls.

[Pointdsm]

Must have been TK talking to himself, and in third person.

[EVILUTION]

I wouldn't race unless a third party held the cash up front.

I lost $5 to Moss at the last Shawano...... I paid him and no love was lost.

[VPT]

yes have to have a third party involved. I ran rivit for cash and there was no problems there at all.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

yes have to have a third party involved. I ran rivit for cash and there was no problems there at all.accept the law enforement.

[VPT]

Fuck the police, protect and serve my ass!

[Extremedsm]

MMMMMMMM, show me da money!

[TSi_II]

Money is only a problem if you have someone who backs out on a bet, and therefore should get an ass whooping along with having to fork over the money.

[TomKat]

Money is only a problem if you have someone who backs out on a bet, and therefore should get an ass whooping along with having to fork over the money.

OMG people listen to yourselves. Arrrghhhhh. :?

Or you could just not race for money. Sounds like a simple solution to me.

[EVILUTION]

LOL..... Its starting to sound like an RSD in here!

[TSi_II]

I think people lose interest when there's never anything extra involved, not everyone is satisfied with "respect", I guess it's more important to some people.... hah..... But I do have the pink slip to my car

[VPT]

LOL..... Its starting to sound like an RSD in here!

maybe you should attend and see if your car has any sac.

[adamvann3]

Whats with the F&F talk all of a sudden, when did Paul Walker join the forum?

[TSi_II]

I dunno...... It's just entertaining to make fun of the movie every now and then.

[TomKat]

I think people lose interest when there's never anything extra involved, not everyone is satisfied with "respect", I guess it's more important to some people.... hah..... But I do have the pink slip to my car

People aren't satisfied with respect, but they are satisified with $5 after they have spent many many thousands on their cars. Umm yeah OK. Guess that $5 worth of gas as VPT put it is really important after spending $10,000 on your car. :? Race gas is expensive you know.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

we could make up points and at the end of the year, person with the most points WINS.

[DontStopMe]

we could make up points and at the end of the year, person with the most points WINS. Another way to pit everyone against each other. Well maybe not everyone, but still. This is just a fun activity for me to do and I prefer to keep the serious competition and money out of it.

[devlish]

actually, andy has a good point. and it might get more people out there. however, that in itself may be a bad thing. but it would keep people showing up for the races, etc...

throughout the summer, someone would need a log book, and then have scheduled nights that points apply. at the begging of summer, everyone that wants in on this registers in the log book. then like one or two nights a month where the points apply.

the moderator could send a PM to everyone on here 2-3 weeks before the next date. it could even be a week night or something, to change it up a little and keep lurkers on this forum guessing when it would be. that could also deter larger crowds from coming if it was sent to all the members here via PM only... and no dates posted in the public forums.

just a thought. maybe a dumb one, but hey... it could work too. TK would have to bring back the old log book!!!

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

have it setup really simular to auto-x events. There are let say 20 events spread over them summer. At the end of summer you must have competed in 10 of the 20 events, and your best 10 scores from all the events you attended, take those and average them together and thats your score. keep things maybe a little more competative, its all for fun.

And like devil said, to register, we all meet at a certian place, hand in the official registration slip that gives the email addy where you want the info to be sent every week with updates scores and what not.

just an idea, whats tomkitty think?

[DontStopMe]

whats the point?? really it would mainly depend on who you choose to race and how often your free on the weekend. I know how fast my car is, so why would I ever race a 10 second car when I cant hit 12's. just my .02

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

whats the point?? really it would mainly depend on who you choose to race and how often your free on the weekend. I know how fast my car is, so why would I ever race a 10 second car when I cant hit 12's. just my .02
Cars will catagorized using the SCCA rules and regulations.

[adamvann3]

That could work... I like the idea. We could have different seasons too. What about the ppl like tomkat with a million cars. Would have have to register more then once?

We should pre date these events also so that pple are aware when they should have their car ready... but then again wouldnt this be like rsd and test and tune days at WIR. It might work it might not... its worth a chance i suppose

[Pointdsm]

This sounds like RSD, without the whole track thing.

[cashsaudio]

I think this is a good idea

[devlish]

it has to be fairly random though. like i mentioned earlier... 2-3 weeks notice TOPS!!! that means you need to have your car ready at all times!! and 20x per season is WAY TOO MUCH!!! maybe 10 tops for this. otherwise, it's just like it always is... racing every weekend with the same exact people with the same exact cars. by giving it 3-4 weeks inbetween, will actually allow for people to do shit to their cars instead of racing EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND. (not that most people on here would change anything in a month) but it's the theory behind it.

i can see where DSMCamaro is coming from... why race a car you KNOW you cannot beat? SCCA rules would be hard to follow for this scenario... but what about even some consolation points for just running? you know, 5pts for a win, 2 pts for a loss. that way, your still practicing your racing, but not out completely.

however, that cannot be staged. ie: me and dsmcamaro race each other EVERY TIME so he can rack up 5pts every other weekend and win overall throughout the summer. maybe only 2-3 rematches, unless major mods have been performed in the mean time. it sounds confusing when typing this all out, but you all get the point, and its really not THAT difficult, as long as everyone is honest about it. (<-- which could be an issue)

[TomKat]

OK reality check here:

-Who is going to do all this work?? It's hard enough just to keep a log of all the matches let alone organize it.

-People will not cooperate. They will not show up when they are supposed to and will come up with all sorts of excuses.

-Whoever organizes this will bring a lot of hatred upon themselves. I used to rank all the street matches and declare a fastest car in town. I got a lot of grief sent my way because of it and made a lot of enemies. And some of you guys think $5 is more important to people than the respect.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

well, i think a lot of people forget the reason of this all. Its all for fun, its not ment to be taking serious. with points it just might make it a little more fun/competative. its like playing football, yeah playin catch for a while is fun, but its more fun to play an actual game sometimes. ya know???

[devlish]

i say we make TK the organizer... since apparently he already has enemies and people hate him etc.... he'll be perfect for the job.

I Vote TK... anyone else?

[adamvann3]

TK all the way! Its worth a shot non the less, If it doesnt work it doesnt work but if it does it would be fun. Nobody is twisting your arm TK, at least not that hard, well it wont be broken.....that bad

[TomKat]

TK declines. Thank you very much, but no.

[adamvann3]

its ok... i am sure they will still let u in

[DontStopMe]

this may also discourage people from coming out. who's gonna want to go against me now if I don't join and they wont get points for the match?

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

true, not saying this would all be easy, just something to make things more interesting. we should still at least race for tacos then.

[devlish]

tacos.... MMMmmmmm

[VPT]

I say we race for poon tang, we would need a woman that is willing though. Do we know any sluts?

[DSM Girl]

Yup, we know lots of skanks that hang out in the parking lot!

[devlish]

isn't there a saying something like... "takes one to know one" ??





j/k DSMgirl...

[fordssuck]

well actually im getting out of cars. I just want to ride my bmx bike around town. I just sold the lightning anyways, but dont worry eric my new hoffman bike will kick your ass. I think ill get one of those combustable dsm's mabey a gs, i dont need an awd or a turbo. Jake-

[EVILUTION]

well actually im getting out of cars. I just want to ride my bmx bike around town. I just sold the lightning anyways, but dont worry eric my new hoffman bike will kick your ass. I think ill get one of those combustable dsm's mabey a gs, i dont need an awd or a turbo. Jake-

WTF...... is this really Jake? Hmmmmmm

[cashsaudio]

well actually im getting out of cars. I just want to ride my bmx bike around town. I just sold the lightning anyways, but dont worry eric my new hoffman bike will kick your ass. I think ill get one of those combustable dsm's mabey a gs, i dont need an awd or a turbo. Jake-

I doubt this is Jake because I have known him as being a ford guy. There's no way that Jake would buy some stuff alrighty and then turn around and sell it right away.

Mods should find his internet address to this compare to his old username.

[TomKat]

That was Jake. Lately he has been under the influence of a chemically induced haze. :( Hopefully he will get over this before spring comes around.

[cashsaudio]

chemically induced haze. :(

what the fuck is that

[EVILUTION]

Has storm been sold?

[Pointdsm]

lets review...jake is now an alcoholic, he does have a history of buying and selling things quickly, so it wouldn't surprise me.

[cashsaudio]

Jake is full of shit

[adamvann3]

Jake is full of shit

Beer shits by the sound of it

[EVILUTION]

I'm not sure I believe the truck has been sold. Maybe he has some sort of secret project going.

[Pointdsm]

he could be doing that, much like my super secret supra project.

[TheSolMan]

hmm, especially since i didn't buy a clutch to install, that means i won't have any hard launches. I do believe running race gas, at race gas PSI, with a hard launch i can beat him, or at least keep up. I doubt he can keep up at shawano.

Now remember this is coming from a guy who has autocrossed that truck and seen you race (no offense). But I think as long as Jake learns to drive a little better than you will have a lot harder time racing him at Shawano than you think. So if this actually happens do not underestimate him or that truck.

[TomKat]

As far as I know Storm has not been sold. That post he made was a stab in the dark at our buddy 00Gay.

I wouldn't underestimate that truck either. Somehow he has amassed a pretty much unlimited budget for modifying the truck for the 2007 season. Plus he did win the 3 Amigos challenge at Golden Sands.

[adamvann3]

Where do people get all this money to mod. I am trying to budget for school, food, gas, car insurance, rent, utlities, cable, internet to talk smack on, and a lot more. Car money comes a little lower and is very limited. I dont understand where ppl come up with this money

[TomKat]

In Jake's case I don't either. :? But he does it somehow. Don't let other people get you down. You're doing something good for yourself by going to school. Good things will come to you down the road. :D

[adamvann3]

Oh, I know skool will open doors, just sucs a little bit. The little money I have, I have to make it count, Which I think i am doing ok at. Also it forces you to do a lot by yourself, which has also open many doors to me. 4 years ago I was a different person with cars, I have inproved 400% at least in my confidence and ability to do things.

[TheSolMan]

In Jake's case I don't either. :? But he does it somehow. Don't let other people get you down. You're doing something good for yourself by going to school. Good things will come to you down the road. :D

The only good thing I see coming to me when I am done with school is the fact that I will be done with school. I'll probably end up not even doing anything that has to do with my degree. :?

[EVILUTION]

^^^^http://www.mentalsoup.com/mentalsoup/images/stupid01.gif

[cashsaudio]

The truck isn't sold i know that but I know other things but I perfer not mentioning it without his premission. So im zipped

[Mr. Fuji]

I can tell you for a fact Jakes truck is FAST. He does a great job launching it as well. If he works out a few kinks, I may find myself giving him the Mr Fuji Bow of Respect.

[EVILUTION]

The truck isn't sold i know that but I know other things but I perfer not mentioning it without his premission. So im zipped

Yea real zipped!

[cashsaudio]

:|

[mpf_supra]

so yeah i also know the lighting is not sold. i accidently found what he is doing to the truck as well.
this will be a exciting summer.

[EVILUTION]

Why not just post what is being done...... if not at least give me his beeper number cause I want to buy some drugs!

[VPT]

supercharger!

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

jake's a NOS guy

[VPT]

jake's a NOS guy

Yah thats a good coverup.

[fordssuck]

jake's a NOS guy

Yah thats a good coverup.

yeah my bmx bike is even faster then storm!, well, mabey in a free fall...Its really gone!

[adamvann3]

jake's a NOS guy

Yah thats a good coverup.

yeah my bmx bike is even faster then storm!, well, mabey in a free fall...Its really gone!

Good off the line I bet

[EVILUTION]

I dont really care for BMX bikes because they can't hang on MBM!

[Pointdsm]

true^^^

[mpf_supra]

haha someone covering up for Jake? i know someone's pretending to be FORDSSUCK..hahaha
That truck does have a Blower and Nitrous YES!

[cashsaudio]

haha someone covering up for Jake? i know someone's pretending to be FORDSSUCK..hahaha
That truck does have a Blower and Nitrous YES!

its not called a blower its called a supercharger there is a difference. But came stock with a supercharger

[EVILUTION]

You guys do know that its not Jake right?

[mpf_supra]

haha someone covering up for Jake? i know someone's pretending to be FORDSSUCK..hahaha
That truck does have a Blower and Nitrous YES!

its not called a blower its called a supercharger there is a difference. But came stock with a supercharger

so what is the difference?
A supercharger and a Blower are the same thing as far as the performance wise. It was just more known back in the days as a blower.

[TomKat]

its not called a blower its called a supercharger there is a difference. But came stock with a supercharger

No. A blower is a roots type supercharger that sits on top of the intake manifold - like what the Lightning has.

Superchargers are supposed to be belt driven turbochargers.

At least that's how drag racers classify them.

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

you cant say a belt driven turbocharger. a turbo is NOTHING like a supercharger other than it forces air into an engine. turbo is driven by a turbine. now you could say centrifugal supercharger is like the compressor side of a turbo that is driven by a belt. but a root style supercharger is not like a turbo at all.

[TomKat]

Yeah that's what I meant. :?

Thanks for clearing that up!

[Dizmm, (Old Account)]

Yeah that's what I meant. :?

Thanks for clearing that up!

yeah, i beleave we had the superchargers 101 class at last night's taco tuesday.

[adamvann3]

Education in and out of class.... thanks

[fordssuck]

why dosent anyone believe that this is me? ask me a question. I just got internet so my responses will be more timely. And jeske, what you need, hit me up 340-3473.... j/k

[adamvann3]

thanks for the number? Ill be sure to carve that into one of the bar bathrooms downtown

[Posihead]

This is by FAR the most useless Topic on CWSCC!!! :roll:

[EVILUTION]

Give it a few days and it will probably be deleted like everything else.